Mowque
Hypermodernist
i'm reading up staregy here and i keep running across the term- "slingshot" what does that mean?
Slingshot?
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WilliamOfOrange
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Using a wonder or GP to gain techs in two turns. For example, the Oracle gives you a free tech, so you build the Oracle and provided you have teh right prereqs, you "slingshot" to your desired tech. Great People created as a result of a wonder, to continue this example, a Prophet from the Oracle could give you a tech after the one you take from the Oracle. Liberalism is another example.
drkodos
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Jumping ahead and grabbing a tech from a future period in which you are not really in.
The most infamous was the Civil Service slingshot where a player would hard research Code of Laws and time its discovery with the completion of the Oracle wonder. Once CoL is founded, it unlocks the Civil Service tech and this is then chosen from the Oracle.
Thus, people could run a mid game civic and reap its benefits much earlier than intended or otherwise possible. It effectively catapults the techs along a specific line of research far beyond what could be acheived through regular beaker acquisition.
The most infamous was the Civil Service slingshot where a player would hard research Code of Laws and time its discovery with the completion of the Oracle wonder. Once CoL is founded, it unlocks the Civil Service tech and this is then chosen from the Oracle.
Thus, people could run a mid game civic and reap its benefits much earlier than intended or otherwise possible. It effectively catapults the techs along a specific line of research far beyond what could be acheived through regular beaker acquisition.
bassist2119
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Maybe I'm reading into this too much and nitpicking, but much of your description of the CS slingshot is in the past tense... Did I miss something? Clarification?drkodos said:
mnf
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What about other slingshots? I recall the CS slingshot was basically the only significant one left in Civ4?
How did they remove the slingshot? Is CoL now more expensive in Warlords?
Sorry if this is already common knowledge---I'm still waiting for our local agent to actually announce the expansion.
So basically after Warlords, there are no "slingshots" to speak of? Would that be right?
How did they remove the slingshot? Is CoL now more expensive in Warlords?
Sorry if this is already common knowledge---I'm still waiting for our local agent to actually announce the expansion.
So basically after Warlords, there are no "slingshots" to speak of? Would that be right?
mnf said:What about other slingshots? I recall the CS slingshot was basically the only significant one left in Civ4?
How did they remove the slingshot? Is CoL now more expensive in Warlords?
Sorry if this is already common knowledge---I'm still waiting for our local agent to actually announce the expansion.
So basically after Warlords, there are no "slingshots" to speak of? Would that be right?
They Made Mathmatics A requirement for CS with the new 2.08 patch, so if you want to do a CS with the Oracle you have to research both COL and Maths in order to obtain CS which is pretty risky becuase both Techs are quite expensive and the AI might beat you to the completion of the Oracle before you finish researching Maths and COL.
there are still useful slinghots:
- philosophy (for a religion, angkor wat + pacifism = good priests, fast producing great prophets)
- theology (for a religion + theocracy + sistin chapel = good warring options and a strong cultural growth option)
- metal casting (for the forges = production capacity + happiness)
- monarchy (for the happiness, including the well known globe theater whipping abuse)
- others?
No one calls "astronomy through liberalism" a slingshot, but I consider it so.
- philosophy (for a religion, angkor wat + pacifism = good priests, fast producing great prophets)
- theology (for a religion + theocracy + sistin chapel = good warring options and a strong cultural growth option)
- metal casting (for the forges = production capacity + happiness)
- monarchy (for the happiness, including the well known globe theater whipping abuse)
- others?
No one calls "astronomy through liberalism" a slingshot, but I consider it so.
bassist2119
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You mentioned monarchy. Good, but it's a reasonable enough research that I've slinged Feudalism (believe it was a GPerson though, not oracle). Theocratic longbow rushes are pretty good.cabert said:
Regarding the CS slingshot, though I haven't downloaded the patch yet, this doesn't seem like too tough of an obstacle. Just oracle CoL and research up to math, then use oracle's GP to get CS. Pre-patch, I always get math shortly after due to the cost of a mace.
drkodos
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bassist2119 said:
It is certainly still quite doable on some levels, but I have found that Prince it is almost impossble and Monarch it ain't gonna happen at all.
Just last night I tested it on Noble with an Industrial Civ and was able to still snag it. One key may have been that I did not also go for Stonehenge. I found that if this gets built, then the other nations tend to bump up priority on the Oracle.
Probably limited to Monarch or lower, but fairly duable on Prince...
Research Liberalism, take Physics, and use the Scientist on Biologie (gets about half of it).
More modest, it Liberalism to Economy, and then lightbulb with the Merchant.
Research Liberalism, take Physics, and use the Scientist on Biologie (gets about half of it).
More modest, it Liberalism to Economy, and then lightbulb with the Merchant.
Although the patch has made the CS slingshot much harder to pull off I guess it is still possible if you get one of those godly start positions that allow obscene early research if played properly. You need to get lucky 
Imagine a capital with gold, cows and pigs plus 3 floodplains and some forests for chopping. Depending on leader traits and starting techs it is easy to leverage a huge amount of early research there.
Then add in a bit of serendipity from the popping techs out of huts, say get bronze working and another useful tech and you have a situation that really screams CS slingshot to maximise your advantage.
If you're finacial then cottages on the floodplains are the way to boost your research. If you're philosophical than a library and an early academy will super boost early research. And so on ...
Don't expect to do it often but it has a special feeling of accomplishment when you pull it off. Off course getting CS and running Bureaucracy in a capital like that pretty much ensures a technological lead.
Imagine a capital with gold, cows and pigs plus 3 floodplains and some forests for chopping. Depending on leader traits and starting techs it is easy to leverage a huge amount of early research there.
Then add in a bit of serendipity from the popping techs out of huts, say get bronze working and another useful tech and you have a situation that really screams CS slingshot to maximise your advantage.
If you're finacial then cottages on the floodplains are the way to boost your research. If you're philosophical than a library and an early academy will super boost early research. And so on ...
Don't expect to do it often but it has a special feeling of accomplishment when you pull it off. Off course getting CS and running Bureaucracy in a capital like that pretty much ensures a technological lead.
