Slower Tech by Era

[Abitfora]

What about technologies from tribal villages? Do you guys just disable them?

 

[Sotof]

Aren't they just boosts?

 

[cryptc]

Awesome, just the sort of tech mod I was looking for, will give it a try as soon as I figure out how much I want to slow tech in the base game... probably I'll just slow it exponentially... x1 x2 x4 x16 x256 and so on...

Edit: it's interesting that it sounds from this thread like Civ6 doesn't have the problem Civ5 had where too large beaker techs just wrapped around and caused everything to be researched in 1 turn instead

 

[Timych]

For those who want a few more tiny changes to balance a fast production/slow research game, then here's my personal changes:

You add that to the mod or replace the values?

 

[Sotof]

You add that to the mod or replace the values?

Personally I just replace, but they won't conflict if you just put mine below his.

 

[FlyPenFly]

this thing is great, love the pacing this provides... I kind of wish we can also slow down the clock?

 

[Sonereal]

this thing is great, love the pacing this provides... I kind of wish we can also slow down the clock?

That's a bit harder because it involves going into the Gamespeeds file and tweaking things yourself, but it is actually pretty easy once you look at it for a bit.

 

[cryptc]

That's a bit harder because it involves going into the Gamespeeds file and tweaking things yourself, but it is actually pretty easy once you look at it for a bit.

If it's anything like modding it in Cv5, the easiest is to slow down what you want slow on a faster gamespeed. I used Standard gamespeed with really slow tech advancement in Civ5 for instance, to have units still be fast to build, to encourage more warfare in each period instead of upgrade paralysis where your units always become obsolete before you manage to wage war with them, especially if trying to war on a different continent (who thinks it's acceptable that you launch an army of your best pikemen and by the time they arrive you're building jet fighters?).

 

[Sonereal]

I must have misunderstood what he said. I thought "slowed down the clock" was talking about the calendar.

 

[Mil3High]

This definitely caused me to obtain a score victory simply because I was in like 2080 AD, and no other victory conditions had been met. I was competing with Kongo for a cultural and/or science victory and had a random score victory screen show up. I was like 200 points above the AI in score, and I appeared to be losing at every victory condition before seeing that. Just be aware.

 

[plus]

I don't want to turn this thread into a tutorial about modding (you'll find a lot about how to update the database in the civ5 section), but to keep it short civ5 and civ6 use a database that can be modified by mods.

The XML in the game's folder contains the value that will fill tables, "Technologies" and "Civics" are the name of 2 of those tables, and we can then use XML or SQL in mods to update the content of the tables in the database.

SQL is very interesting for us as it allows to change multiple values in tables with a single line.

We can also use tools like SQLite to check if the changes have been loaded by opening DebugGameplay.sqlite in "..\Documents\my games\Sid Meier's Civilization VI\Cache" (but not to change values, as the database used by the game is cached in memory on load, and DebugGameplay.sqlite is just a copy of it for... debugging)


See the posts above, just copy all the lines starting by "UPDATE" and on the copied lines replace "Technologies" by "Civics"

hi,just a small question on this... is it true civ6 doesnt have a fixed beakers number like in civ 5 wher eventually you'll get 1 turn per tech if adding too much to the cost ?

 

[Ryika]

Kind of random, but... here's a list of some more general changes that I've been playing around with:

Spoiler :

-- Camps spawn further away from players (4 tiles -> 7 tiles)
UPDATE GlobalParameters SET Value = 7 WHERE Name = 'BARBARIAN_CAMP_MINIMUM_DISTANCE_CITY';

-- Replaces the Chiefdoms economic Slot with a wildcard to give everybody access to using the early Great Person Cards
UPDATE Government_SlotCounts SET GovernmentSlotType = 'SLOT_WILDCARD' WHERE GovernmentType = 'GOVERNMENT_CHIEFDOM' AND GovernmentSlotType = 'SLOT_ECONOMIC';

-- All Units that have a Base Maintenance of 1+ cost 1 more
UPDATE Units SET Maintenance = Maintenance + 1 WHERE Maintenance > 0;

-- Gives Warriors a Base Maintenance cost
UPDATE Units SET Maintenance = 1 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_WARRIOR';

-- Explorers start with a free Promotion
UPDATE Units SET InitialLevel = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_SCOUT';

-- Scouts have +1 Vision Range
UPDATE Units SET BaseSightRange = 3 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_SCOUT';

-- Builers/Trade Routes cost 1 Population
UPDATE Units SET PopulationCost = 1, PrereqPopulation = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_BUILDER';
UPDATE Units SET PopulationCost = 1, PrereqPopulation = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_TRADER';

-- Higher Cost for religious Units (less spam)
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_MISSIONARY';
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_APOSTLE';
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_INQUISITOR';

-- Traders Scale per Unit built, not over time
UPDATE Units SET CostProgressionModel = 'COST_PROGRESSION_PREVIOUS_COPIES', CostProgressionParam1 = 10 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_TRADER';

-- All Districts that add Production to Trade Routes (except the city center ) now add Food instead
UPDATE District_TradeRouteYields SET YieldType = 'YIELD_FOOD' WHERE YieldType = 'YIELD_PRODUCTION' AND DistrictType <> 'DISTRICT_CITY_CENTER';

-- My preferred technology scaling (yes, that's +10, not * 10)
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost + 10    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 3        WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';

-- My preferred Civics scaling (yes, that's +10, not * 10)
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost + 10    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT' AND CivicType <> 'CIVIC_CODE_OF_LAWS';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2     WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 3     WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';

-- Reduce Warmonger Penalty from declaring war by 50% (/edit: I haven't tested this one, but it should work.)
UPDATE DiplomaticActions SET WarmongerPercent = WarmongerPercent / 2 WHERE WarmongerPercent IS NOT NULL;

-- Reduce Eurekas for all Techs and/or Civics  to 25%
UPDATE Boosts SET Boost = 25 WHERE TechnologyType IS NOT NULL;
UPDATE Boosts SET Boost = 25 WHERE CivicType IS NOT NULL;

Just copy-paste the lines you want to use into the mod's rules.sql file; numbers can of course be changed freely within logical parameters.

 

[Aster87]

This is what I did: I took similar stuff and added into one pack: But feel free to change:

UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*1.1    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT'; -- just for reference
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*1.2 WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*1.3    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*1.6    WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*2.2    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*2.7    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Technologies SET Cost = Cost*3.2    WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';

UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*1.1    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT'; -- just for reference
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*1.2 WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*1.3    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*1.8    WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*2.2    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*2.7    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Civics SET Cost = Cost*3.2    WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';


UPDATE Eras SET GreatPersonBaseCost = GreatPersonBaseCost*3;

UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Value = "-80" WHERE ModifierId = "MINOR_CIV_PRODUCTION_PENALTY" AND Name = "Amount";

UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 4 WHERE UnitType = "UNIT_MISSIONARY" OR UnitType = "UNIT_APOSTLE" OR UnitType = "UNIT_INQUISITOR";

 

[AlextheGr8]

I play only Marathon game speed. Does this mod affect my game for the better or is this intended for shorter games?

 

[jadel]

Is there any way this mod could change the npc city names?
I just tried and Egypt made some Inca sounding city then Baltimore.

Cairo was a city state.

Only other mod I have is qui

 

[AlextheGr8]

Kind of random, but... here's a list of some more general changes that I've been playing around with:

Spoiler :

-- Camps spawn further away from players (4 tiles -> 7 tiles)
UPDATE GlobalParameters SET Value = 7 WHERE Name = 'BARBARIAN_CAMP_MINIMUM_DISTANCE_CITY';

-- Replaces the Chiefdoms economic Slot with a wildcard to give everybody access to using the early Great Person Cards
UPDATE Government_SlotCounts SET GovernmentSlotType = 'SLOT_WILDCARD' WHERE GovernmentType = 'GOVERNMENT_CHIEFDOM' AND GovernmentSlotType = 'SLOT_ECONOMIC';

-- All Units that have a Base Maintenance of 1+ cost 1 more
UPDATE Units SET Maintenance = Maintenance + 1 WHERE Maintenance > 0;

-- Gives Warriors a Base Maintenance cost
UPDATE Units SET Maintenance = 1 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_WARRIOR';

-- Explorers start with a free Promotion
UPDATE Units SET InitialLevel = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_SCOUT';

-- Scouts have +1 Vision Range
UPDATE Units SET BaseSightRange = 3 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_SCOUT';

-- Builers/Trade Routes cost 1 Population
UPDATE Units SET PopulationCost = 1, PrereqPopulation = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_BUILDER';
UPDATE Units SET PopulationCost = 1, PrereqPopulation = 2 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_TRADER';

-- Higher Cost for religious Units (less spam)
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_MISSIONARY';
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_APOSTLE';
UPDATE Units SET Cost = Cost * 1.5 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_INQUISITOR';

-- Traders Scale per Unit built, not over time
UPDATE Units SET CostProgressionModel = 'COST_PROGRESSION_PREVIOUS_COPIES', CostProgressionParam1 = 10 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_TRADER';

-- All Districts that add Production to Trade Routes (except the city center ) now add Food instead
UPDATE District_TradeRouteYields SET YieldType = 'YIELD_FOOD' WHERE YieldType = 'YIELD_PRODUCTION' AND DistrictType <> 'DISTRICT_CITY_CENTER';

-- My preferred technology scaling (yes, that's +10, not * 10)
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost + 10    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Technologies     SET Cost = Cost * 3        WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';

-- My preferred Civics scaling (yes, that's +10, not * 10)
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost + 10    WHERE EraType ='ERA_ANCIENT' AND CivicType <> 'CIVIC_CODE_OF_LAWS';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_CLASSICAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 1.5    WHERE EraType ='ERA_MEDIEVAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2        WHERE EraType ='ERA_RENAISSANCE';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2     WHERE EraType ='ERA_INDUSTRIAL';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_MODERN';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 2.5     WHERE EraType ='ERA_ATOMIC';
UPDATE Civics     SET Cost = Cost * 3     WHERE EraType ='ERA_INFORMATION';

-- Reduce Warmonger Penalty from declaring war by 50% (/edit: I haven't tested this one, but it should work.)
UPDATE DiplomaticActions SET WarmongerPercent = WarmongerPercent / 2 WHERE WarmongerPercent IS NOT NULL;

-- Reduce Eurekas for all Techs and/or Civics  to 25%
UPDATE Boosts SET Boost = 25 WHERE TechnologyType IS NOT NULL;
UPDATE Boosts SET Boost = 25 WHERE CivicType IS NOT NULL;

Just copy-paste the lines you want to use into the mod's rules.sql file; numbers can of course be changed freely within logical parameters.

Vanilla game, I use the settings you gave and started getting boosts in tech for things I had not done yet.

 

[Ryika]

You can get boosts from Goody Huts.

 

[Ledaren]

Will this work on saved game? Or new game only?

 

[Baleur]

-- Gives Warriors a Base Maintenance cost
UPDATE Units SET Maintenance = 1 WHERE UnitType = 'UNIT_WARRIOR';

Would this mess with City States? Do they continue building warriors like crazy (fields of 10-20 warriors) and bankrupt themselves?
Or do they now stop building warriors when their economy cant support it? That would be a nice bonus, fixing their warrior spam.

 

[Maaka]

Would it be possible to do it the other way around? As in playing on Epic, and leaving the tech/civic speeds as is, but speeding up the production times? Could that be done just as "easy"?