Smoother Difficulty 1.4

[Morgawr]

it should be self explanatory if you look into erascaling.sql, I've handled it just like Rush handled culture&faith: 12% base per difficulty level ( instead of vanilla 8% ) and +1 per era per difficulty level ( btw warlord is the "neutral" difficulty level, not prince )

I haven't taken over from Rush, just made the edit for myself and figured I'd upload it here in case other people are interested

Awesome thanks, I'll dl and start using this. This mod is super critical to me and I play RV all the time and the AI getting a faith bonus should make my games more challenging! Very excited, thanks.

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

glad to hear that, let me know how it works out for you

 

[Thibaulthc]

Had a chance to give this a spin on Emperor, and initial impression is the comparative skill level is much easier when the mod is enabled. I don't think the bonuses applied come close to matching the extra settler and military units of the default game.
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Maybe I just need to move up a level or two when using the Smoother Difficulty mod.

I'm usually playing on immortal and with smoother difficulty I tend to play on Demi God
The beginning of the games are a little bit easier since the AI can't jump start to 3 cities and 20 units after a few turns. But the more we advance through the game, the tougher it is. Some bonus are huge when the game is more advanced. IE 60% +5%/era on science and other yields. It sometimes really takes time to catch up ..
On my current game (modified historic speed mod, demi god, à few units balancing mods )after 300 turns, I'm still way behind in science and really struggling to win wars. That's the kind of things that never happened to me on normal diety.

 

[Ragnar157]

i also have a problem in Omniscient with computer science way too high so i can't take any more cities.
how can i reduce their science boost while still giving them all the other buff.
erascaling.sql:
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=6 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_SCIENCE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";
from 12 to 6 fo example?
So i'd reduce the Base Bonus of 84 to 42%

 

[Bitterman]

Can I ask why is this not on Steam Workshop?

I'm sure that many more people would see it there.

 

[skodkim]

Does this still work after R&F?

\Skodkim

 

[RohirrimElf]

Does this still work after R&F?

\Skodkim

Yes, finished a full game with it

 

[skodkim]

I'm playing a game with Smoother Difficulties but have tried altering the values somewhat. Now I'm seeing two runaway civs with science output rising quickly over some turns to ~150 (may be an era shift but at least one of them have also done some conquering). I've always been leading the game, also tech-wise, so 'm worried that I may have messed something up. The civs are also from mods so I'm trying to rule out bugs/incompatibility.

Problem is that I don't really understand how the numbers work, so I'm hoping for some help here.The numbers (concerning science) that I'm using right now are:
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=11 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_SCIENCE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";
('SCIENCE_SCALING_CLASSICAL', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 4),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_MEDIEVAL', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 2),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_RENAISSANCE', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 3),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_INDUSTRIAL', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 2),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_MODERN', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 1),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_ATOMIC', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 1),
('SCIENCE_SCALING_INFO', 'Amount', 'LinearScaleFromDefaultHandicap', 0, 1),

And yes, they've been buffed because I've felt that the AI was getting behind in previous games, but maybe I just abandoned the game(-s) before the bonusses kicked in.

The way I think it works is this:
AI gets a flat bonus from game start based on "HIGH_DIFFICULTY_SCIENCE_SCALING x difficulty level" (I'm guessing there's a number for each difficulty level?)
AI gets a bonus that scales AI era, difficulty level, number of cities (???), e.g."(SCIENCE_SCALING_CLASSICAL x SCIENCE_SCALING_MEDIEVAL times) x difficulty level x #cities", e.g. something like (1.04*1.02*3*10) with my scaling figures, difficulty level=3 and #cities=10

Could someone help me clarify?

EDIT: One of the AI civs went from 70 to 147 science/turn from turn 155 to 165 without increasing #cities

\Skodkim

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

I'd recommend leaving that code alone and just increasing the numbers at the top of that file:

-- First set science&culture&faith flat from 8 -> 12
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=12 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_SCIENCE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=12 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_CULTURE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";

you could try 16 for both and then increase it more if you still feel they need MOAR science

 

[skodkim]

I'd recommend leaving that code alone and just increasing the numbers at the top of that file:

-- First set science&culture&faith flat from 8 -> 12
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=12 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_SCIENCE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";
UPDATE ModifierArguments SET Extra=12 WHERE ModifierId="HIGH_DIFFICULTY_CULTURE_SCALING" AND Name="Amount";

you could try 16 for both and then increase it more if you still feel they need MOAR science

THX!

Went through the mods files again and compared the numbers there (incl comments) with the values in the opening post. As far as I can see I'm not that far off with the calculations, but number of cities isn't included in the modifier, right? (But it does of course influence the total science found in the end).

\Skodkim

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

yeah I'm pretty sure number of cities doesn't matter

 

[Leathaface]

Yes, finished a full game with it

What was your experience like? Was Deity tougher than Civ VI's vanilla deity? (despite Smoother Difficulty giving no free settlers to the AI)

 

[RohirrimElf]

What was your experience like? Was Deity tougher than Civ VI's vanilla deity? (despite Smoother Difficulty giving no free settlers to the AI)

I’ve currently turned smoother difficulty off as i’m playing quo’s mod now. I cant say if the game got any more difficult on deity. But it was a better experience then vanilla civ 6. I beleave smoother difficulty has 2 difficulties above deity. Like deity +2.
I liked the fact that the AI was not expanding as fast in first era. It makes up with it on difficulty past the first 2 era’s. Which is great if you ask me

 

[KrumStrashni]

Which files and values I must touch to have these percentage scaling decreased a bit? I want to try that. Specifically production bonus.

 

[Atomic Waffle]

This is probably my favorite mod, in conjunction with AI+ it actually makes the game hard on higher difficulties.

Have you thought about uploading it to Steam? If not, I am somewhat interested in developing my own version of this mod and doing that, if that is permissible.

 

[7Marco]

It doesn't work right with new addon does it?
Enemies start with second settler on King.

 

[darosss]

It doesn't work right with new addon does it?
Enemies start with second settler on King.

I had the same problem. Try delete this line: <Row Era="ERA_ANCIENT" Unit="UNIT_SETTLER" AiOnly="true" MinDifficulty="DIFFICULTY_EMPEROR" DifficultyDelta="0.5" OnDistrictCreated="true"/>
in this folder:
...\Sid Meier's Civilization 6\DLC\Expansion2\Data\Expansion1_Eras.xml

If it doesn't work check another DLC folders and search for line above.

 

[Jason Farber]

Has this mod been abandoned? I'd love to see it updated for Gathering Storm!

 

[Bitterman]

Yeah the game without this is garbage to be honest.

It would be nice to fix the settlers thing.

 

[7Marco]

Thanks for the answer daross! But i dont know if the rest of the mod is working then too.

I found another mod which seems to be similiar. It even deletes the fightbonus from the a.i. which i appreciate.
Havent tested it much yet but the comments are saying its nice.

It is called "Persistent Difficulty" and works with GS.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1453194971