Kmart_Elvis
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Still going to go with Phoenicia. I really can't see them doing the Ottomans next. They just have to be the Grand Finale... Right?
[GS] Sneak Peak 21/01
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blackcatatonic
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This was what I originally thought but the footstool was just too obvious to be anything but an Ottomans hint.
I don't see a harbor. And the Ottomans were as Mediterranean as Phoenicia.
Lord Lakely
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I believe this is indeed the Ottomans.They will put Suleyman in a courtyard, Dido I'm less certain about (they put her in a pergola in Civ5, I guess but who knows)). Eh whatever, whichever we're not getting tomorrow, we're getting next week.
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Well, it is another time for the Logician to enter the scene and analyse the sneak peak that will tell us which civilization and which leader will be revealed tomorrow.
First of all, what do we see? Two and half tree. They are right in the center, which is obvisouly a decoy, so let us not focus anymore attention on it. Or, should I say, let us not focus anymore on the fact that they are trees. Because they obsviously are not. Which kind of tree look like this? Some kind of palmier? Nonsense. What you see is cotton plants: a round flower-like thingy on top of a stem. So, cotton it is. The fact that we have proven that it's cotton is important for two things.
First thing: the main use in history of cotton was to justify the triangular trade. Europeans are well-known to be mean-spirited, evil people that do not have any compassion against anyone since the Black Plague. Once they discovered militarily inferior - and thus inferior on every point - people on the other side of the Mediterranea Sea, they then had just one wish: to torture them by making them navigate across the Atlantic. A lot of African people never saw the ocean and thought it was the Hell - or any horrible afterlife African people have, I'm too Eurocentric to bother about that. Problem was that, once African people crossed the Atlantic once, they were kind of acustomed, so it was no use to do it again, the torture was not as effective. So they were dropped in the Americas, where colonists used them in cotton plantation. When humanists lefties went with "human rights" and things, triangular traders said that the Triangular Trade was not initially to torture African but to have a cheap, soulless workers to work in cotton plantation (we now know that it's false, but it was a big controversy in the XXth century). So, by showing us cotton plants, Firaxis is giving us a hint about a civilization linked to the Triangular Trade (evidence A).
But we know that Firaxis always give us subtle hints. We have to look further. The new civ is linked to the Triangular Trade, but not literally: figuratively. We then do have a new civ that will be linked to slavery across sea. Alas, the next two civs, Phoenicia and Ottomans, could fit this loose definition. But under what other name could be defined slavery across sea? Let's try this : Transportation Across Maritime Areas of Human Resources. Or TAMAHR. If we take out the H (because it makes no sound), we have TAMAR, which is the name of the Meme Queen, a clear and obvious indication that the new leader will be a female (evidence B) and that the civ will be linked near Caucasus (evidence C).
Now, we haven't talk yet about the walls-like thingy in the first ground, and frankly I shouldn't talk about it because I'm already completely drunk, but let's try anyway. In which color is this wall? Well, if you change the saturation of your screen, enhance the luminosity, close one eye and squint the other, you will see that they are pink(ish). Pink is a color really close to purple, especially Tyrian purple, so you know exactly where I'm heading: pink being a false color (is you see a wavelenght spectrum, pink is nowhere on it), it is an evident indication that the leader will be false too, aka legendary (evidence D).
Oh, and, yeah, Tyrian purple (evidence E).
Did you remember, in the first paragraph, when I said that the fact that we proved that it was cotton (wow, that's a lot of the word "that") is important for two things? We only showed one. The other one is of extreme simplicity. Did you remember the H we took out the TAMAHR by convenience to prove our point? Well, take it, and replace the second T of COTTON with this H, and behold! The word we discover: COTHON (evidence F).
So, we have an extra T of the word COTTON transformed in COTHON. I could forget it and act as if it never existed. But what also never existed during Antiquity? Tea, a beverage that sound exactly like a T. Which is the indeniable proof that the new civ is an Antique civilization (evidence G).
Looking now at evidence A, B, C, D, E, F and G, we now know that the new civilization is linked to some sort of maritime trade/slavery, located near Caucasus during Antiquity, with a female, legendary leader, linked in some way to Tyrian purple and a thing name Cothon. The new civ revealed tomorrow is then Phoenicia, led by Dido.
And another victory for logic.
First of all, what do we see? Two and half tree. They are right in the center, which is obvisouly a decoy, so let us not focus anymore attention on it. Or, should I say, let us not focus anymore on the fact that they are trees. Because they obsviously are not. Which kind of tree look like this? Some kind of palmier? Nonsense. What you see is cotton plants: a round flower-like thingy on top of a stem. So, cotton it is. The fact that we have proven that it's cotton is important for two things.
First thing: the main use in history of cotton was to justify the triangular trade. Europeans are well-known to be mean-spirited, evil people that do not have any compassion against anyone since the Black Plague. Once they discovered militarily inferior - and thus inferior on every point - people on the other side of the Mediterranea Sea, they then had just one wish: to torture them by making them navigate across the Atlantic. A lot of African people never saw the ocean and thought it was the Hell - or any horrible afterlife African people have, I'm too Eurocentric to bother about that. Problem was that, once African people crossed the Atlantic once, they were kind of acustomed, so it was no use to do it again, the torture was not as effective. So they were dropped in the Americas, where colonists used them in cotton plantation. When humanists lefties went with "human rights" and things, triangular traders said that the Triangular Trade was not initially to torture African but to have a cheap, soulless workers to work in cotton plantation (we now know that it's false, but it was a big controversy in the XXth century). So, by showing us cotton plants, Firaxis is giving us a hint about a civilization linked to the Triangular Trade (evidence A).
But we know that Firaxis always give us subtle hints. We have to look further. The new civ is linked to the Triangular Trade, but not literally: figuratively. We then do have a new civ that will be linked to slavery across sea. Alas, the next two civs, Phoenicia and Ottomans, could fit this loose definition. But under what other name could be defined slavery across sea? Let's try this : Transportation Across Maritime Areas of Human Resources. Or TAMAHR. If we take out the H (because it makes no sound), we have TAMAR, which is the name of the Meme Queen, a clear and obvious indication that the new leader will be a female (evidence B) and that the civ will be linked near Caucasus (evidence C).
Now, we haven't talk yet about the walls-like thingy in the first ground, and frankly I shouldn't talk about it because I'm already completely drunk, but let's try anyway. In which color is this wall? Well, if you change the saturation of your screen, enhance the luminosity, close one eye and squint the other, you will see that they are pink(ish). Pink is a color really close to purple, especially Tyrian purple, so you know exactly where I'm heading: pink being a false color (is you see a wavelenght spectrum, pink is nowhere on it), it is an evident indication that the leader will be false too, aka legendary (evidence D).
Oh, and, yeah, Tyrian purple (evidence E).
Did you remember, in the first paragraph, when I said that the fact that we proved that it was cotton (wow, that's a lot of the word "that") is important for two things? We only showed one. The other one is of extreme simplicity. Did you remember the H we took out the TAMAHR by convenience to prove our point? Well, take it, and replace the second T of COTTON with this H, and behold! The word we discover: COTHON (evidence F).
So, we have an extra T of the word COTTON transformed in COTHON. I could forget it and act as if it never existed. But what also never existed during Antiquity? Tea, a beverage that sound exactly like a T. Which is the indeniable proof that the new civ is an Antique civilization (evidence G).
Looking now at evidence A, B, C, D, E, F and G, we now know that the new civilization is linked to some sort of maritime trade/slavery, located near Caucasus during Antiquity, with a female, legendary leader, linked in some way to Tyrian purple and a thing name Cothon. The new civ revealed tomorrow is then Phoenicia, led by Dido.
And another victory for logic.
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I did too originally. But the Pete put his feed up on a big upholstered foot stool in the livestream last week, so I had to change my mind.
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I also think Ottomans are next. We've been assuming they'd leave them for last because they are a fan favorite, but they might be leaving the more impressive or original for last. If anything it means Phoenicia will have very original mechanics.
Honestly I can see them ending with Eleanor if they use her first look as a segue to talk about modding.
But it's interesting that they would choose to feature two civs that are so geographically close to one another in a row. Most expected Phoenicia - Eleanor - Ottomans for that reason.
BenitoChavez
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That is what I thought at first too. But then I realized that only a great fool would take the obvious choice he was given. I am not a great fool so clearly I cannot choose the Phoenicians. But Firaxis would have known I was not a great fool, Firaxis would of counted on it so I clearly have to chose the Ottomans. So you would think I would have made my decision, but not even remotely! Because palm trees are found in Australia as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals and criminals are use to people not trusting them as Firaxis is not trusted by me so I can clearly not choose the Phoenicians.
But I'm not done yet. Wait until I get going! Where was I? Oh yes, Australia. Yes Australia and Firaxis must have suspected I'd know the origin of palm trees, so I can clearly not choose the Ottomans. You might be thinking that I truly don't know the answer. But you'd like to think that wouldn't you! Firaxis has made Giant Death Robots which means Firaxis is exceptionally strong, so Firaxis could have made me think it's the Phoenicians to trust to their strength to save themselves, so I can clearly not choose the Phoenicians. But Firaxis has also implemented global warming which means that Firaxis must have studied and in studying they must have learned that man is mortal so Firaxis would have made me think that it was the Ottomans, so I can clearly not choose the Ottomans.
Firaxis is trying to trick me but it won't work. They've given everything away I've I know what civilization it is! I will make my choice! And I choose...what in the world can that be? Oh, I, I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. Let's drink.
(It's the Ottomans)
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Eh, as much as I think of Atatürk being an increddible man in both military successes and transformation of Turkey from backwards and underdeveloped nation into a modern secular country, I still want my Abdülmecid I for the Ottoman Empire more.
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It's futile to try to discern some sort of logic or pattern to these sorts of things. No one would have predicted they'd reveal 4 male leaders in a row right? Firaxis has their own methodology.
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Indeed. I suspect it has something to do with what they want to show in the livestream each week, but even then, the extraneous parts they show don't even fall into a logical progression.
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Inconceivable!
ehecatzin
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Thats also one of the reasons I think she's the most likely to get the Unique Governor, you finish presenting all the new civs and close with and alternate leader with a UG *winks to modders* It opens so much potential for existing civs, it just sounds so right to end like that.
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