raystuttgart
Civ4Col Modder
Looking back:
After RaR, its modders had fallen apart into more or less independent modmods.
Then WTP pulled them together again and at least achieved to keep RaR alive and improve it.
But before WTP Release 2.7.2 WTP was more or less just a community with several independent branches that shared.
Then we pulled WTP together again and slowly but surely developed Release 2.8.
After WTP Release 2.8 WTP had basically again fallen apart again into several independent branches that shared.
Then again, we somehow merged our efforts again and finally - with much discussion and effort - we published Release 2.9.
Now after WTP 3.0 WTP has basically again fallen apart into a community with several independent branches.
So what now ? I am not willing to repeat the story of Release 2.9 ...
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Each time we pulled together we had some great progress and great releases.
But it is simply not working like that. We simply fell apart again after each big release.
It is obvious to me that we do not share enough common vision to stay "One mod that rules them all !".
That is perfectly fine and different personal tastes are completely normal.
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At the moment each of us "core members" basically has a branch of his own.
Accepted - perfectly fine that all of us can implement their own stuff freely.
Each of us is now exited about the stuff he always wanted and can now implement freely in his modmod.
And that is indeed the most important thing: Modding is about having fun.
We can easily share, cooperate and do some cherry picking of the other branches.
But if I understand correctly, none of us still wants to be responsible for publishing WTP core mod ?
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Is there still one of us feeling responsible to go through the hell to merge, test, finalize and publish all of that stuff all others create?
Is there still one of us that is actually interested in spending time finding a consense instead of just creatively modding?
I am not ... simply because it is way too much effort to do that if the others that created those other branches do not coordinate ahead of time.
And it is almost impossible if the others later do not help to merge, finalize and publish the "merged monster".
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About the modding community:
We always thought it might inspire other community members to also become modders themselves.
But we achieved the exact contrary. Most of the community just leaned back and waited for the next release.
Maybe if community really needs to start modding itself because it otherwise can not merge the content of our branches, we may actually also get a few new modders.
Maybe this really has to transform into a "modding community" where many modders just share and maybe some of them also publish ...
We may not have a "big WTP core mod" anymore ...
But maybe we will have instead many smaller "WTP modmods" ...
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So let us speak honestly:
Are we modders even still interested in the merged monster "big WTP core mod"?
Or should we instead become a modding community of many cooperating "WTP modmods"?
Whoever wants to publish his modmod shall do so.
Whoever does not could of course still cooperate.
We may not be as efficient as in the times when we pulled together as a team.
But we might have a lot more fun and a lot less stress by simply being a sharing modders community.
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And to continue being honest:
In the last months it did not feel as a team anymore anyways.
It felt like 2 stupid programmers and 2 text creators trying to still save the WTP core mod ...
Personal "Thanks" for the last months:
@Nightinggale:
You are basically the only one still believing in WTP team - I think I am not anymore.
Everytime I had gained some hope again to get WTP team started up again and find a common vision that hope was smashed to pieces again shortly later.
Thousand thanks for your efforts for Release 3.0 and Release 3.0.1.
Your dedication and efforts in the last months was basically what had kept me going ...
As I promised:
I will continue to mod privately, to cooperate and to share my work.
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Otherwise considering the differences of a team and a community see here.
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So again:
What now?
The most important questions for me:
Then we can forget the questions below.
Because then I know who I can share and cooperate with.
Otherwise:
Spoiler :
After RaR, its modders had fallen apart into more or less independent modmods.
Then WTP pulled them together again and at least achieved to keep RaR alive and improve it.
But before WTP Release 2.7.2 WTP was more or less just a community with several independent branches that shared.
Then we pulled WTP together again and slowly but surely developed Release 2.8.
After WTP Release 2.8 WTP had basically again fallen apart again into several independent branches that shared.
Then again, we somehow merged our efforts again and finally - with much discussion and effort - we published Release 2.9.
Now after WTP 3.0 WTP has basically again fallen apart into a community with several independent branches.
So what now ? I am not willing to repeat the story of Release 2.9 ...
---------
Each time we pulled together we had some great progress and great releases.
But it is simply not working like that. We simply fell apart again after each big release.
It is obvious to me that we do not share enough common vision to stay "One mod that rules them all !".
That is perfectly fine and different personal tastes are completely normal.
---------
At the moment each of us "core members" basically has a branch of his own.
Accepted - perfectly fine that all of us can implement their own stuff freely.
Each of us is now exited about the stuff he always wanted and can now implement freely in his modmod.
And that is indeed the most important thing: Modding is about having fun.
We can easily share, cooperate and do some cherry picking of the other branches.
But if I understand correctly, none of us still wants to be responsible for publishing WTP core mod ?
---------
Is there still one of us feeling responsible to go through the hell to merge, test, finalize and publish all of that stuff all others create?
Is there still one of us that is actually interested in spending time finding a consense instead of just creatively modding?
I am not ... simply because it is way too much effort to do that if the others that created those other branches do not coordinate ahead of time.
And it is almost impossible if the others later do not help to merge, finalize and publish the "merged monster".
---------
About the modding community:
Spoiler :
We always thought it might inspire other community members to also become modders themselves.
But we achieved the exact contrary. Most of the community just leaned back and waited for the next release.
Maybe if community really needs to start modding itself because it otherwise can not merge the content of our branches, we may actually also get a few new modders.
Maybe this really has to transform into a "modding community" where many modders just share and maybe some of them also publish ...
We may not have a "big WTP core mod" anymore ...
But maybe we will have instead many smaller "WTP modmods" ...
---------
So let us speak honestly:
Are we modders even still interested in the merged monster "big WTP core mod"?
Or should we instead become a modding community of many cooperating "WTP modmods"?
Whoever wants to publish his modmod shall do so.
Whoever does not could of course still cooperate.
We may not be as efficient as in the times when we pulled together as a team.
But we might have a lot more fun and a lot less stress by simply being a sharing modders community.
----------
And to continue being honest:
In the last months it did not feel as a team anymore anyways.
It felt like 2 stupid programmers and 2 text creators trying to still save the WTP core mod ...
Personal "Thanks" for the last months:
Spoiler :
@Nightinggale:
You are basically the only one still believing in WTP team - I think I am not anymore.
Everytime I had gained some hope again to get WTP team started up again and find a common vision that hope was smashed to pieces again shortly later.
Thousand thanks for your efforts for Release 3.0 and Release 3.0.1.
Your dedication and efforts in the last months was basically what had kept me going ...
As I promised:
I will continue to mod privately, to cooperate and to share my work.
- If WTP core mod continues to exist, it is free to use and publish my work in any way it wants.
- If WTP core mod will not continue to exist, I hope for good cooperation with all other Civ4Col-modders.
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Otherwise considering the differences of a team and a community see here.
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So again:
What now?
The most important questions for me:
- Does a WTP core mod or a WTP team still exist? Who is it?
- Is there still somebody feeling responsible for merging our branches and to publish it?
Then we can forget the questions below.
Because then I know who I can share and cooperate with.
Otherwise:
- I guess we are still cooperating though, right?
- How are we going to work and cooperate in this modding community?
- Which modders are even still around to cooperate and share?
- Is there still somebody around that actually wants to publish?
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