Soapboxing?

[Inspector Javert]

Read the descrition of liberalism in the Civilpedia, aside from the fact that it was in fact conservitives that oppsoed comunism and facism (liberals wanted to be thier buddies) it also throws quite a nasty cheap shot at conservitives anyone else notice that or am i being overly sensitive?

 

[ZippyRiver]

Oh come on, you know those pesky ranting liberals can't pass up the oppertunity to make dig.

those pesky ranting liberals

oops.

 

[botur2young]

oh yes, liberals and fascists are the best of friends.....

 

[Inspector Javert]

I was refering to persons such as Nevile "useful idoit" Chamberlain who didn't want to fight Hitler.

 

[DaviddesJ]

I was refering to persons such as Nevile "useful idoit" Chamberlain who didn't want to fight Hitler.

What are you talking about? Neville Chamberlain was a conservative. He was the head of the Conservative Party. And his policies of appeasement were an extension of the policies of Splendid Isolation of the British Conservatives (esp. Disraeli) of the 19th century.

 

[Cdrommel]

I've noticed on a number of occasions throughout the civ series that the developers like to sneak in their opinions and such. So far, I've gathered that they are:

-more liberal than conservative (you send a spaceship to Alpha Centauri to win the game instead of getting raptured into heaven for a Heaven Race victory)
-Beatles fans

 

[Inspector Javert]

-Beatles fans

Well thats just natural, I mean who doesn't like the Beatles?

let it be let it be let it.... Hey where did everybody go?

 

[HawkeyeGS]

I agree that they do show a pretty one sided view on liberalism however they make no attempt to hide this and even state that "conservatives would have an entirely different opinuion on the matter". It would be very hard for a liberal to properly express the philosophy of a conservative and vice versa and hence it would be a lot more appropriate to avoid attempting to. I beleive that as long as they people do not try to sublimially persuade people to their view in the content of a game people can make up their own mids if they agree or disagree. So maybe "nasty cheap shot" is a little excessive. In the end what is wrong with people expressing their opinuion? Although maybe i am being too liberal minded in that respect.

 

[cavvie]

Haven't checked out the description but let's keep it in perspective.

Classical Liberalism, the first kind really, is what all the free-thinkers adhered to, more or less, in the 18th Century. Today's conservatives would mostly be considered quite (very) liberal in our own countries two hundred years ago. So maybe it's not that far off.

I'd just like to go on pretending the designers are apolitical gods who software engineer for my happiness. Thank you...humm...hummm..

 

[HawkeyeGS]

The description mentioned both and makes a clear distiction between the 2. Good point though.

 

[meisen]

Read the descrition of liberalism in the Civilpedia, aside from the fact that it was in fact conservitives that oppsoed comunism and facism (liberals wanted to be thier buddies) it also throws quite a nasty cheap shot at conservitives anyone else notice that or am i being overly sensitive?

Overly sensitive? Heck no! That is how them people corrupt the minds of are yung'uns and steels are wymin! We wont stand for them liberal biased commie lovers destroying are 'Merkin way uv life. To the concentration camps with all of 'em. That'll lern 'em, them lazy welfare good fer nuttins.

 

[Mrdie]

Liberalism (In it's more plain sense) has been around since pretty much the beginning of Goverment. I'd say it's pretty much what the Civlopedia says: A idea that Goverment should stay out of peoples lives (Unless they want them to interfere in good ways, such as marriage, etc) and never cross Religion with Secularism.

(For ref. I'm without dobut a Democrat, and I myself believe that Fascist and Republicans get along better, just like Democrats and Socialist...)

 

[Thalassicus]

A idea that Goverment should stay out of peoples lives

Classic liberalism, for sure...it's weird that these meanings are reversed often times.

"As in many debates, opposite sides use different words for the same beliefs, and sometimes use identical words for different beliefs."

 

[Civilicious]

I don't care if you are sensitive or not, but any shot at conservatives and their fundamentalist, oppressive, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophies is a plus in my book. If you are crying about something in Civ4 you need a break, go watch Fox news or something.

 

[Vonreuter]

you send a spaceship to Alpha Centauri to win the game instead of getting raptured into heaven for a Heaven Race victory

With the advent of civ religions, there should definitely be a Heaven Race victory option.

Also, wonders such as the Illuminati (gives your priests hidden knowledge making them produce some jars), Winona Files (reveals enemy spies) and the League of Nations (the civ building the LN becomes the Antichrist's Empire), as well as civics like McCarthyism (no Open Border agreements, stops enemy spies, towards civs with State Property), to bolster your Empire of Iron and Clay.

I can already imagine myself researching Freemasonry (allows Illuminati, League of Nations) and being told that "You have entered the Era of Great Tribulation!" That's when you'd have to start guessing which civ will become the civ of the Antichrist.

Also, just before Rapture, you'd get to wage Armageddon in the style of Colonization's British invasion!

Hey, I'm all for this mod!

 

[Inspector Javert]

I don't care if you are sensitive or not, but any shot at conservatives and their fundamentalist, oppressive, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophies is a plus in my book. If you are crying about something in Civ4 you need a break, go watch Fox news or something.

DING DING DING We have a troll!!!!!

 

[Civilicious]

DING DING DING We have a troll!!!!!

Well then you got what you wanted, because you posted this in the first place to troll for controversy. Take it to the Off-Topic.

 

[BeefontheBone]

Well, propagating that riduculous myth about Al Gore claiming to have invented the Internet (what he ACTUALLY said was entirely accurate) is hardly a very mincing, sensitive lefty thing to do is it?
Besides, you get the makers' politics in TV shows, movies, books and every other medium - why not games? Soldier of Fortune and C&C Generals, for a start, are very conservative games.

 

[AngryPants]

I was about to give you guys a long post on how "conservativism" and "liberalism" in todays sense of those words are both branches of the classical liberal tradition, how european and american conservatives are very different, and so on. Then I read a couple of the posts on this thread and realized that I would have better luck explaining geometry to my guinea pig. So instead I suggest that some of the posters go amuse themselves by staring at shiny objects.

 

[Sidhe]

I dont think being a staunch conservative is a good idea or a staunch liberal for that matter. Fact is in America your either one or the other there is no 3rd way? you can either be right wing or right wing? Very strange? Personally I think most people are somewhere in the middle of right and left but polarise themselves towards one direction by chosing a party. I believe the state should interfere with my life as much as I deem necessary and no more

I'm a liberal conservative with a smattering of anti capatalist sentiment/cynacism in certain areas and a healthy regard for law and order. What does that make me? Probably no different from the majority I would imagine?