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Thorgrimm said:
MC, those thingies in the front are called canards, they give extra stability to an airframe as it approaches the speed of sound. Lots of modern planes are now looking at canards for extra stability. Kelly Johnson and Lockheed were far ahead of most of the world in airframe design. It was the damned idiots in the war department that squashed it.
:nuke: Cheers, Thorgrimm :nuke:
Well I would hope the ones they might use now would like more like the ones on the Saab Gripen then on that thing.:ack:


Thorgrimm said:
You know what they told Johnson when he presented the plans to the Army Air Corps, "To stop fooling around with jets and build more P-38's."

Talk about shooting your own foot off. :D

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Not suprised.
 
I like the L-133, but I never found a model of it. So no go.
 
Bummer, thats a shame, but glad you liked it. Maybe one day a model can be found.




:nuke: Cheers, Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
Samez said:
well this picture looks a litlle bit strange couse the ä and a are mixed up...
And to mention I never heard of somthing like this if it should not be some kind of kamikazee action. The RAF killed a few V1 by slaping with the wings of the spitefire the V1 navigation sytem down.... but very few cases have been proofed...
Ares is right about the planes (despite the fact that the maker of the pic wasn't too sure about the position of the letters)

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"The pilots of Sturmstaffel 1 flew FW 190 fighter aircraft modified with additional armor around the cockpit. This modification was later incorporated as a standard factory installation to the FW-190 series A-6, A-7, and A-8. "
 
W.I.N.T.E.R. I hate to bust your bubble, but Germany did NOT have a lock on silly and stupid ideas.:D

Here is a Blurb about the XP-79 from the history. net site. And as you can see, unlike the MODIFIED Fw-190's the Luftwaffe flew, the Northrop plane was DESIGNED from the outset as a rammer.:D

In the late stages of World War II, American bomber formations over Germany were occasionally attacked by a small, rocket-powered interceptor, the Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet. Fast as the Me-163s were, however, they were usually more spectacular than effective. Nevertheless, American aircrews must have marveled at the technology behind such an advanced-looking weapon--unaware that since 1942, something similar had been secretly under development in their own country.

The fighter that eventually became the Northrop XP-79B had an astonishing parallel development to the Me-163. It began in 1942 as a rocket-powered flying wing, but, in contrast to the Me-163, the American design was later adapted for jet power. Another difference between the XP-79B and its distant German cousin lay in their methods of attack. The Me-163 was meant to defend a faltering Third Reich with wing-mounted 30mm cannons or unguided rockets. The XP-79B's main means of downing its adversaries is best expressed in its nickname--Flying Ram.

Essentially, the XP-79 was an interceptor that would bring down its opponents by ramming them in flight. During the early months of the German invasion of Russia in 1941 and 1942, Russian fighter pilots had frequently resorted to various taran, or midair ramming techniques. There was no real need for American fighter pilots to resort to such tactics, however, and the USAAF officer who came up with the idea for the ram fighter may be grateful that his identity is lost to history. In any case, in January 1943, Northrop was awarded a contract to build three XP-79 Flying Ram prototypes, each of which was to be powered by an Aerojet rocket engine with 2,000 pounds of thrust.

A plague of developmental problems with the proposed Aerojet engine, and the unlikelihood of its being able to keep the plane airborne for more than 30 minutes, led the USAAF to cancel its order for the rockets and for two of the XP-79s that were to be powered by them. The Army did, however, consent to completion of the third prototype, which used two Westinghouse 19B axial-flow jet engines with 1,345 pounds of thrust each. The jet-engine revision, designated the XP-79B, weighed 5,840 pounds empty and 8,669 pounds with a full operational load.

Like its rocket-powered precursor, the jet-powered XP-79B was essentially a wing, with the pilot lying on his stomach between the two jet engines. His head protruded into an acrylic-plastic windshield fitted with an armor glass section. An overhead hatch gave him entry to and, if necessary, a hasty exit from the cabin.

As radical as the XP-79's all-wing configuration looked, its structure was equally unusual. The airframe was made of heavy-gauge magnesium. The leading-edge skin was three-fourths of an inch thick; reinforcing steel armor plate of one-fourth-inch thickness was heliarc-welded at a 45-degree angle just inside the wing's leading edge. The wingspan was 38 feet, with a wing area of 278 square feet. Overall, the XP-79 was 14 feet long and 7 feet high.

Upon receiving reports of approaching enemy bombers, the XP-79B was intended to take off with the aid of JATO (jet-assisted takeoff) packs at an estimated rate of 25,000 feet in 4.7 minutes. Reaching an altitude of 40,000 feet, the Flying Ram would then dive into the formation of enemy aircraft at an estimated speed of up to 547 mph and clip their wing or tail surfaces with its own reinforced wings. Even among the USAAF brass, someone must have recognized the need for weapons, because the XP-79B order also stipulated that the fighter should accommodate four .50-caliber Browning machine guns outboard of the jet engines.

So as you can see I was correct when I told Roman Legion of an aircraft that was DESIGNED, not modified for ramming. ;) :D

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:nuke: Cheers, Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
I decided not to do the XP-79 because A) sorta pointless to make a pure interceptor and B) I already made a lot of regular aircraft AND protoypes such as:
XP-55 Ascender
P-82 Twin Mustang
XP-75 Eagle
P-80 Shooting Star
XP-72 Superbolt
XP-59 Airacomet
XP-77 "Mighty Mouse" my own name
XP-57 Black Bullet
Convair Pogo
XP-85 Goblin

So as you can see I've already a good amount of advanced fighters for the USAAF. Not nearly as many as for Luft46 but plenty in total.
 
Well I see the snobbery continues. I was REPLYING to WINTER's assertion that it was the Kraut rammer that was the one designed for ramming without damage. Try reading my replies before getting snotty with me. I am not one of the fanbois's you browbeat so damned much.

Remember, I knew you when you were a lil boy who said, and I quote, "I can't do it." It was me who talked you into branching out and stretching your unit making talents.

So try to be a little more professional in your replies to me and drop the BS snot routine before all the nice Civ 3 folks find out about what you an I used to chat about. I am sure they would get quite a chuckle out of it.

Hell I am sure the Ripptide conversations would be MOST enlightening.

Since you have decided to abandon our friendship for whatever BS reason I am no longer under any restraints to protect those conversations. So be careful bub. I KNOW you.


:nuke: Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
Stop jumping at shadows. I wasn't being snobbish. I only wrote that I just decided not to make the Northrop design because I already had plenty of wacky designs for the interceptor role.
 
Hi Thorgrimm,

sure you answered to a post of Winter. But please take into account, that it is a thread of Wyrmshadow to inform about the units of SOE. And this is exactly what he did. He informed the civfans about the US aircraft protoypes contained in SOE. I can find nothing insulting in his post. Please read his post and your answer again on a better day and than may be a "sorry" would be nice.:)
 
Sure, I will IF you find one sentence in that post of mine complaining about him not making the units. I will bet a million bucks you won't find ONE WORD of complaint.

I dislike ASSUMPTION posts designed to respond without READING the post being responded to. They insult my intelligence.


:nuke: Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
Gentlemen, Gentlemen...
 
I heard about these Rammjägers. Some of them were used.But it was a big mistake. That was stupid, when you look how many airplanes the allied had.

I found an outher "Rammjäger" (modified V1), but no of them ever flew....

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It was a Reichenberg-Gerät (Fieseler Fi-103R)
It could be used as a Rocket with a bonus against airplanes...???!!!:rolleyes:
 
Will there be /are there also the big flying boats like Catalina and so on?
 
Ripptide made a Catalina thats alaviable on CFC, In two colors, even. Almost everything that Wyrm makes will be released when SOE comes out.
 
Goldflash I didnt realize their were 2 different color ones all I ever saw was the navy blue one. Wyrm those floatplanes are awsome great job and thanks for releasing them.
 
Yeah, he made one in black, too.
 
Very nice planes, Wyrm. I wish they could be used just like the real ones (e.g. land on water).
 
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