[Speculation] Reformation Beliefs

[SamBC]

I'm not a specialist, but a skim of the internet suggests that learned sources consider all (edible) fungi halal. Kashrut is a more complex matter, though, depending on various interpretations and how strict one is about various things.

 

[Babri]

In real life, Arab countries wouldn't ban alcohol EVERYWHERE.

Nevertheless banning it could be a good thing. That would certainly reduce the number of alcoholics worldwide.

And as per Islamic ruling, Muslims are not even supposed to trade wine or even be a middle man in a business deal related to it.

This could head rapidly off-topic, but now you have me wondering. I assumed the use of pigs or dogs to find truffles would render them impermissable, but I cannot find anything to confirm this. Any specialists in halal dietary restrictions have the answer?

Actually using hunting dogs are permissable as per Quran. And there are certain conditions for that to be allowed. However I am not sure about using pigs for a similar purpose. They are so filthy, might need to ask a scholar for confirmation though.

Anyway lets get back on the topic. Are they really going to introduce half a dozen reformation beliefs like some people are expecting? If yes, then how will they fit them in the Piety SP tree.


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[Hans Castorp]

Thanks for the info, Babri.

I don't think the Reformation beliefs themselves will be fitted into the Piety tree, rather one of the policies available in the tree will allow you to adopt one drawn from a separate list, presumably integrated into the Faith management screen.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Thanks for the info, Babri.

I don't think the Reformation beliefs themselves will be fitted into the Piety tree, rather one of the policies available in the tree will allow you to adopt one drawn from a separate list, presumably integrated into the Faith management screen.

That, and it was said it's granted as a finisher bonus. This leads to a potential removal of the Reformation SoPol and, IMO, to the departure of the Free Religion SoPol from Piety for new Freedom ideology tenet.

 

[Louis XXIV]

^ I think that's plausible. Certainly, Free Religion would be a nice Reformation belief. The only objection I'd have is that it would mean only one religion could accept freedom of religion and I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

^ I think that's plausible. Certainly, Free Religion would be a nice Reformation belief. The only objection I'd have is that it would mean only one religion could accept freedom of religion and I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

It is VERY likely that Free Religion will be a Tenet, wbut what bonus would it get?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Something to do with getting follower beliefs from all religions in the city is my guess.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Something to do with getting follower beliefs from all religions in the city is my guess.

That would be overwpowered no?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Probably. It would depend on how good the other ones are. The Piety tree seems like it'll now only be good for religion, so you'd have to devote a lot of cultural investment only in making your religion better without any benefit in culture, science, food, gold, etc. I suppose it could be top two religions in your city or something like that to balance it. You still have to have the religion appear in the city, which isn't always easy to do, and you run the risk of losing your religion as the dominant religion.

 

[MatThePhat]

Why not have freedom of religion be a civilization-wide thing? More religions you have in your civilization, more benefits you get. Instead of a reform belief, it would just be a SoPo for freedom or something.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I'm not opposed to that either. In fact, I think that makes the most sense.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

+1 Happines/Culture for each follower of a religion? (well obviously Happines would be +1 oer X followers of a relgiion in a city).

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

Isn't religious tolerance already a branch of the piety tree?

In regards of the potential reformation belief, freedom of religion, you could just get the first follower belief of each present religion.

 

[Leugi]

Sorry to necro, but I think this new info is important for this thread... Some new info on Reformation Beliefs from the What we Know thread:

Charitable Missions: Influence boosts from gold gifts to City-States are increased by 30%.
Evangelism: Missionaries' Spread Religion action erodes existing pressure from other religions.
Jesuit Education: May build Universities, Public Schools, and Research Labs with faith.
Religious Fervor: Use faith to purchase pre-Industrial (and later) land units.
Sacred Sites: All buildings purchased with faith provide 2 tourism each.
To the Glory of God: Use faith to purchase any type of Great Person starting in the Industrial Era.
Underground Sect: Your spies exert religious pressure on the cities they occupy.
Unity of the Prophets: Inquisitors and Prophets reduce this religion's presence by half (instead of eliminating it).

 

[Merciorum]

Creationism: halved from science buildings and specialists and points for GS halved, but +0.5 per lost, cannot use to buy GS.

That's not a "reformation" belief. They should at least have something to do with religious reformations.

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

Some ideas I posted in another thread. The first three beliefs are revamps of old ones.

Pilgrimage:

+2 Faith and +1 Tourism per foreign cities above 4 Citizens.

Reliquary:

+2 Gold and +2 Faith from Great Works in the Capital.

Interfaith Dialogue:

Double Science from foreign Trade Routes with empires following foreign Religions.

Commercial Adoption:

Double Religious Pressure from naval Trade Routes. 50% more Religious Pressure from land Trade Routes.

Religious Assimilation:

20% of Tourism from Civilization with 10 or more Citizens following your religion is converted equally to Culture and Faith for your empire.

Multiculturalism:

+1 Hapiness and +2 Tourism per differant religion in City with at least one Follower.

Syncretism:

Can keep follower beliefs in City with Dominant foreign Religion as long as there is at least one Citizen in your City following your own Religion.

 

[Menzies]

Nevertheless banning it could be a good thing. That would certainly reduce the number of alcoholics worldwide.

We have already learned from history that this certainly isn't the case.

 

[Arachnofiend]

Yeah I'm going to assume that poster isn't American, if he was in any way familiar with the US's attempt at banning alcohol he'd know how much of a hilarious failure it was.

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

Yeah I'm going to assume that poster isn't American, if he was in any way familiar with the US's attempt at banning alcohol he'd know how much of a hilarious failure it was.

Reminds me of a quote by W.C. Fields. "Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water."

 

[Babri]

Yeah I'm going to assume that poster isn't American, if he was in any way familiar with the US's attempt at banning alcohol he'd know how much of a hilarious failure it was.

Yes I am not an American but I do have a vague idea about what happened there. Something like people started making their wine locally after the ban & there were complications related to it.

Anyway the reason for failure wasn't that banning it is impossible, rather reforming things without creating enough awareness(educating the masses) and good reward/punishment system, such actions are bound to fail.

You might be surprised to hear that in Islam wine was gradually banned, step by step. If it was done in the American fashion the result could have been catastrophic just like US.

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