[Speculation] Reformation Beliefs

[JFD]

Given that it's the religion system, which is first come first served, I don't think it's a stretch to think it's going to be the ame for these.

Isn't it tied to Social Policies - specifically, the Piety Tree - and not Religion? Couldn't you theoretically choose a Reformation bonus without having your own Religion, just by completing the Piety Tree?

 

[HorseshoeHermit]

This is a quote from Dennis Shirk:

"We’ve also added a whole new set of religious belief that’s going to add to all the different areas of the game, whether it’s Diplomatic, or Domination…"

The two examples he gives are victory types. I'd say that the Reformation Beliefs are keyed to victory types.

I'd say it means that for every victory type, there is some reformation belief that assists you. There's no reason from that statement to figure each one has only one function.

With the variance of replies in the thread, I decided to determine what a 'reformation belief' was through Wikipedia, just to be sure. Perhaps reformations create another religion ownership? It would also clear up what happens if you reform without owning a religion. On the other hand, that would mean other players can just rob you of the religion you put so much effort into spreading, which would be A Bad Thing.

 

[MadDjinn]

Not sure 'how bad' that could be.

If you didn't found a religion, but someone spread theirs to you, I could see being able to add a reformation belief to it, basically causing a minor fracture of the religion. Given the varieties of 'protestant' religions, and how they've even splintered off of each other, there's plenty of historical basis for it (in many, if not all, religions).

Keeping in mind that you spent the SPs (can't be taken back) to get there via Piety, so you should get something from it.

 

[JFD]

Not sure 'how bad' that could be.

If you didn't found a religion, but someone spread theirs to you, I could see being able to add a reformation belief to it, basically causing a minor fracture of the religion. Given the varieties of 'protestant' religions, and how they've even splintered off of each other, there's plenty of historical basis for it (in many, if not all, religions).

Keeping in mind that you spent the SPs (can't be taken back) to get there via Piety, so you should get something from it.

But wouldn't choosing Rationalism take back your choices in Piety and thereby shouldn't it take away your Reformation bonus? This Reformation bonus is meant to be in lieu of the bonus for completing the entire tree.

 

[fuzzatron717]

Pretty sure you can have 11 religions in a game

Actually 13 because Christianity is being split into Catholic, orthodoxy, and Protestantism

 

[MatThePhat]

Colonizing Sects: All new settlements have the first 5 population be state religion (representing historical religious colonization efforts such as the puritans)

New Religious Movements: can lose followers (so they just become pagans or something) for great prophets.

Tolerance/Pluralism: every other religion present in a city with this dominant religion produces 1 faith or culture or tourism.

Prohibition: increases international trade route yield.

 

[Calouste]

But wouldn't choosing Rationalism take back your choices in Piety and thereby shouldn't it take away your Reformation bonus? This Reformation bonus is meant to be in lieu of the bonus for completing the entire tree.

I expect you can have both Rationalism and Piety in BNW. They would be the only mutually exclusive pair left with the last three trees becoming ideologies, and one mutually exclusive pair out of 36 possible pairs doesn't make much sense.

 

[Arachnofiend]

But wouldn't choosing Rationalism take back your choices in Piety and thereby shouldn't it take away your Reformation bonus? This Reformation bonus is meant to be in lieu of the bonus for completing the entire tree.

Does taking Piety after finishing Rationalism subtract the two techs you got for completing Rationalism?

 

[Bevel Lemelisk]

To this day I wonder why the crusader belief etc doesnt give bonuses for combat of those who's cites DONT follow your religion.

 

[SpaceJesus]

I have removed those that exist when the religion was founded.

Creationism: halved from science buildings and specialists and points for GS halved, but +0.5 per lost, cannot use to buy GS.

What would be good for Cargo Cult?

Should enable dinosaur units in the pre-Classical era

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Does taking Piety after finishing Rationalism subtract the two techs you got for completing Rationalism?

Although unsaid, seeing as how Policy Trees are getting reworked, there is a slight chance that Rationalism and Piety are no longer exclusive to one another.

Because let's be honest, only a fool wouldn't pick Rationalism.

 

[ArguCa]

Shoud Halal food add game? I really don't like when Mecca wants truffles or wine. it's just so unrealistic. of course this is just a game but, you know, kinda weird.

what do you think?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Shoud Halal food add game? I really don't like when Mecca wants truffles or wine. it's just so unrealistic. of course this is just a game but, you know, kinda weird.

what do you think?

People really need the "realism" thing dropped.

This is a game where Ghandi drops nukes, Giant Death Robots annhilate everything and a Spearman destroys a Tank.

 

[Leugi]

Theology of Liberation: Ideology is spread more effectively and is stronger in your cities

 

[awesome]

Ahmadiyya: 25% more happiness when not at war.



Or culture. Or something. I was more just looking for something Islamic that would fit better than the ones from the first page, so I found this on Wikipedia. A peacetime bonus fits it, so I think it should be fairly strong in order to make you want to stay at peace, but I'm not sure what it should be beyond that.

 

[Babri]

People really need the "realism" thing dropped.

This is a game where Ghandi drops nukes, Giant Death Robots annhilate everything and a Spearman destroys a Tank.

I think that this can be done. Be the leader of Congress as Arabia & declare wine as unlawful. Have fun roleplaying!

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[HeraldtheGreat]

I think that this can be done. Be the leader of Congress as Arabia & declare wine as unlawful. Have fun roleplaying!

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In real life, Arab countries wouldn't ban alcohol EVERYWHERE.

Anyways, truffles are mushrooms, not litteral pork. I don't see the contradiction other people seem to.

 

[Hans Castorp]

In real life, Arab countries wouldn't ban alcohol EVERYWHERE.

Anyways, truffles are mushrooms, not litteral pork. I don't see the contradiction other people seem to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle_hog

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

I'm aware that pigs are used to find truffles, what I mean is that your not like when you're eating a truffle you're eating the hog that found it.

 

[Hans Castorp]

This could head rapidly off-topic, but now you have me wondering. I assumed the use of pigs or dogs to find truffles would render them impermissable, but I cannot find anything to confirm this. Any specialists in halal dietary restrictions have the answer?