Spring Patch Info

[Aristos]

If it takes much longer they'll have to start calling it the Summer patch...

...or Civilization VII...

 

[acluewithout]

Does anyone think Emergencies might get reworked a bit in the next patch?

I posted about some of the problems with Emergencies here. There wasn’t any mention of Emergencies in the announcement video. My guess is Emergencies we’re a bit of an after thought anyway, and probably won’t be something they look at again before another patch. If they were serious about Emergencies, I think they would have made more effort to tie them with the Casus Belli system.

 

[Aristos]

Does anyone think Emergencies might get reworked a bit in the next patch?

I posted about some of the problems with Emergencies here. There wasn’t any mention of Emergencies in the announcement video. My guess is Emergencies we’re a bit of an after thought anyway, and probably won’t be something they look at again before another patch. If they were serious about Emergencies, I think they would have made more effort to tie them with the Casus Belli system.

Nope. With any luck, they are planning a better diplomacy system for the last expansion, and with that, maybe a rework of the emergencies.

 

[acluewithout]

Yeah, I think that’s right.

I’m a little over waiting for this patch (although having Sarah say they’re working on it did make me a bit more cheerful). For all the waiting, I can’t see the patch is going to make that much difference, sadly.

I’m hoping some of the Civs get rebalanced so there’s someone new I want to play (given England are now hopeless and the other Civs I like tend to be still a bit “funky”), but I don’t have huge hopes there either.

It might be they’re really pushing x-plat and that’s the reason for the delay. I only play SP, so that’s not a big deal for me, but would be happy for all the Mac players who have been frustrated about that (there are a few).

 

[nzcamel]

Napoleon is a fitting leader for France, but isn't he a somewhat tired choice in Civ? He's more of a challenge to fight in Age of Empires III than in any Civ game (even Civ IV).

I would rather have Henri IV "the Good" for France who started as one of the most hated in France and ended his reign as one of the most loved. He also did much to end the religious civil war in France at that time, unlike Catherine de Medici (who, while cunning and capable, did more to fan the flames than end the wars ultimately).

Or we could have Cardinal Richelieu lead France in Civ VII--that would be awesome. Even if his inevitable spy bonuses might mirror CdM of Civ VI a tad too much.

Normally I may agree; but big personality Civ VI is ripe for Napoleon!

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Normally I may agree; but big personality Civ VI is ripe for Napoleon!

France has no lack of "big personalities" with global awareness. Sun King, anyone? Charlemagne? Even Napoleon III for a curve ball (and to tie in with the canals feature when it arrives).

 

[Cerilis]

France has no lack of "big personalities" with global awareness. Sun King, anyone? Charlemagne? Even Napoleon III for a curve ball (and to tie in with the canals feature when it arrives).

Talking about canals, I want them along with railroads in a "transport and logistics focused" expansion.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Talking about canals, I want them along with railroads in a "transport and logistics focused" expansion.

Plus tunnels, to allow passage through mountains.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Plus tunnels, to allow passage through mountains.

I don't know . . . a civmap-scale tunnel would be like 900 miles long

 

[Duuk]

I don't know . . . a civmap-scale tunnel would be like 900 miles long

Try hard to never think about civ scales. If you do, you'll realize that wars last for thousands of years and your warriors take centuries to walk from Rome to London to attack while his archer support fires 1000 miles overheard to bombard London into submission.

 

[shaglio]

Oh no. We've circled back around to railroads, canals, and map scale. We seem to be stuck in an endless loop here and need something to snap us out of it. Next we'll be comparing Civ 4 to Civ 5 to Civ 6, complaining about Warmongering penalties, griping about funky Diplomacy, analyzing the differences of 1UPT vs. Stacks of Doom, and/or getting fed up with War Weariness. Oh and I almost forgot the AI, the UI, the graphics, and airplanes. Anything else?

 

[acluewithout]

I can’t believe they nerfed England...

 

[Kimiimaro]

Oh no. We've circled back around to railroads, canals, and map scale. We seem to be stuck in an endless loop here and need something to snap us out of it. Next we'll be comparing Civ 4 to Civ 5 to Civ 6, complaining about Warmongering penalties, griping about funky Diplomacy, analyzing the differences of 1UPT vs. Stacks of Doom, and/or getting fed up with War Weariness. Oh and I almost forgot the AI, the UI, the graphics, and airplanes. Anything else?

Haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if "Naval Warfare" is missing

 

[nzcamel]

France has no lack of "big personalities" with global awareness. Sun King, anyone? Charlemagne? Even Napoleon III for a curve ball (and to tie in with the canals feature when it arrives).

There's big personalities, and BIG Personalities. They do not get much bigger than the guy who changed what side most of the world drives on to suit himself.

 

[Aristos]

For all the waiting, I can’t see the patch is going to make that much difference, sadly.

That right there is the key to the potentially huge disappointment. FXS has put themselves in a position to disappoint with the "soon" fiasco and the video... why? Because their patch history shows that none of their patches (at least post-Shafer era) is ever a big deal nor a game changer, yet the anticipation they have created (mainly due to infantile communication "skills") in this case has very likely set the conditions for a big let down (even if the patch is good, the anticipation is more inflated than the Vancouver real estate market, hence a disappointment is almost unavoidable by definition).

I hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it...

As long as they don't break the Alert button (again)...

 

[nzcamel]

That right there is the key to the potentially huge disappointment. FXS has put themselves in a position to disappoint with the "soon" fiasco and the video... why? Because their patch history shows that none of their patches (at least post-Shafer era) is ever a big deal nor a game changer, yet the anticipation they have created (mainly due to infantile communication "skills") in this case has very likely set the conditions for a big let down (even if the patch is good, the anticipation is more inflated than the Vancouver real estate market, hence a disappointment is almost unavoidable by definition).

I hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it...

As long as they don't break the Alert button (again)...

You make a very good point; and one that is all the more likely to bear out given the significant delay.
Having said that... I'm still really stoked with Firaxis that they changed their plans, to fix problems rather than steaming ahead to meet a deadline that (to most of us) is less important than having the game functioning correctly.

 

[Uberfrog]

I'm well aware of the name of the website I'm posting this on, but really all the hype is being generated here, not by Firaxis. They have said a patch is coming, they have released a video detailing what is coming in the patch, but at no stage have they misled us with a timescale of when it will actual release. That was all based on assumptions made here.

There is quite probably some significant delay behind the scenes, but they clearly aren't able to give us a more definite answer than "soon". This is fine, and not the catastrophe of communications it has been made out to be here. The game is playable in its current state, and there are many other things one can be doing in the time before it releases than stoking oneself up for disappointment...

 

[Aristos]

I'm still really stoked with Firaxis that they changed their plans, to fix problems rather than steaming ahead to meet a deadline that (to most of us) is less important than having the game functioning correctly.

True, but if they end up doing both (delay + new bugs) as it has happened before, oh boy, the revolution...

 

[Aristos]

There is quite probably some significant delay behind the scenes, but they clearly aren't able to give us a more definite answer than "soon". This is fine, and not the catastrophe of communications it has been made out to be here. The game is playable in its current state, and there are many other things one can be doing in the time before it releases than stoking oneself up for disappointment...

Of course it's bad communication! Open talk is always better, people are not stupid and appreciate honesty and frank talk. Instead of a bland, meaningless "soon", a business person can easily explain a little what is holding them up, what they expect, and why they are trying to solve it with high priority, etc... nobody is asking for a precise date, not at all. But talking to your customers is always good business.

Old school business used to hold up the axiom "The customer is always right"... I don't know what happened to that.

 

[Depravo]

You make a very good point; and one that is all the more likely to bear out given the significant delay.
Having said that... I'm still really stoked with Firaxis that they changed their plans, to fix problems rather than steaming ahead to meet a deadline that (to most of us) is less important than having the game functioning correctly.

I'm going to have no internet for 2 months starting on Monday. It had better have dropped by then