Spring Patch notes

[ezzlar]

Is the patch live?

 

[snoochems]

Is the patch live?

Doesn't appear to be - I haven't played since release - and was just thinking of starting a new game and wanted to know if there were any patches - it's annoying to want to try the game again and knowing that a new update is mere hours (hopefully minutes) away.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Is the patch live?

They do it right way, announcing the patch a day before release, so people who dislike it could disable update.

 

[Flaxton]

This. Victor is still basically useless.

A loyalty buff promotion to Victor would make him useful.

 

[gozpel]

I don't understand people saying chopping should be worth nothing? Chopping has been in Civ forever and now we can finally chop jungles too, which make me very pleased!

If chopping trees would give you nothing, but waste a turn for a worker, then why stop there? You can use Magnus for getting extra food and shields from other tiles as well. So no more harvesting animals and stones, copper etc? Then Magnus would be pretty useless, unless you want to build a settler.

I think that kind of discussion is just plain silly, as the feature has been in the game a very long time. Magnus is nerfed, good enough! To start over the overall game mechanics that has been sitting there for years and years, won't make the game more fun.

And btw, all lumberjacks in the world would riot against thoughts like that.:

 

[Ever Adrift]

I couldn't agree more. There are a lot of Civs which I think are almost right, but just need a really small buff or tweak.

Top of my list are the Cree - give them a starting Warrior and their starting unique Scout. They are an exploring Civ that has a Scout which costs more, so currently they actually get their Scout out slower that other Civs. Nuts. Sure, you could make their Scout cheaper: but giving them a free Scout would be more unique and flavourful, and still not overpowered (at least at higher levels), because at the end of the day its still just a Scout.

After them, Spain.

Definitely agree on Spain - and it would take much. Not sure how I feel about your recommendation for Poundmaker, in part because a couple of the mods I use give all civs an extra starting warrior and scout, but also because for some reason Poundmaker already feels somewhat OP - I've had more success with them than any other civ. The early trade route with it's expansionist abilities can allow for a surprisingly powerful start (using them to cut off strategic parts of the relatively-nearby map). The Mekewap is insane, akin to Indonesia's Kampung but even more useful because it's not likely to be hampered by map type and starting location. The alliance visibility ability is surprisingly powerful, too. Given the ability to get that Scout to it's 3rd promotion relatively easy, maybe they ought to leave the Cree alone for the moment...

However, I bet there is a pretty good consensus around Spain, Norway and Georgia at the very least.

 

[Sostratus]

Number of envoys received from Liberating City-States is boosted as you progress through the game.

I have wanted this for a long time and am very pleased. Finally- liberation will be more useful than clearing my Warmonger score!

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Happy birthday then!

Thanks

 

[Tech Osen]

I don't understand people saying chopping should be worth nothing? Chopping has been in Civ forever and now we can finally chop jungles too, which make me very pleased!

If chopping trees would give you nothing, but waste a turn for a worker, then why stop there? You can use Magnus for getting extra food and shields from other tiles as well. So no more harvesting animals and stones, copper etc? Then Magnus would be pretty useless, unless you want to build a settler.

I think that kind of discussion is just plain silly, as the feature has been in the game a very long time. Magnus is nerfed, good enough! To start over the overall game mechanics that has been sitting there for years and years, won't make the game more fun.

I have more of an issue with the timing, you can completely deforest the world before you can even build a lumber mill. Seems kindda odd, but I really don't know how efficient ppl were at chopping down forests in ancient times. It seems to me it wouldn't really become a thing until the Industrial Revolution.

 

[SaiH]

AI Air Force == nothing...

Nothing regarding the lack of interest for the AI to build and use planes If that is the case (could still be an unmentioned tweak), the endgame is still more or less pointless.

Noticeable by their absence (not that I specifically expected them for this patch):

• Air Force
• "Cede"
• Free City constant state of war

Well, I appreciate the changes and updates but the persistant ignorance of the flaws in an essential lategame feature like air combat really does sadden me.

 

[LuckyAC]

Chopping is fine - overflow is overpowered and illogical. If you built too many ship parts at double speed, how do you turn that into the Colosseum?

 

[ThERat]

I have more of an issue with the timing, you can completely deforest the world before you can even build a lumber mill. Seems kindda odd, but I really don't know how efficient ppl were at chopping down forests in ancient times. It seems to me it wouldn't really become a thing until the Industrial Revolution.

Oh, the Romans chopped the entire Mediterranean for their ships and other stuff. Have you ever been to Italy?

 

[Tech Osen]

Oh, the Romans chopped the entire Mediterranean for their ships and other stuff. Have you ever been to Italy?

I guess you're right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_during_the_Roman_period

 

[Ever Adrift]

The history of deforestation, and communal - then state - efforts to control it in societies around the world and throughout all of recorded history is actually really fascinating...

I'm such a geek...

 

[blackbutterfly]

If you got stuff left to chop by the time you get capitalism, you ain't doing it right.

Just to be clear, I don't mean the govt. or economic policies of capitalism, rather the ethos of capitalism...

...pillage, plunder, exploit. That is the chop.

The chop gave birth to capitalism

 

[gozpel]

The thing with chopping, it has been in the game forever. You can use it when you need it or have to remove that jungle for a campus.

If you use chops early, they are poor. But on deity even a poor chop can save you.

With Magnus downgraded, he still have the strength to chop stuff, if you use your cards right.

Getting nothing from chops is just so stupid, it's there and has been forever. This irks me!

 

[Disgustipated]

Well, I appreciate the changes and updates but the persistant ignorance of the flaws in an essential lategame feature like air combat really does sadden me

At this point I suspect they can't fix this problem. Are there any mods that fix it?

Oh, the Romans chopped the entire Mediterranean for their ships and other stuff. Have you ever been to Italy

Also check out the book Collapse by Jared Diamond to read about specific cases of deforestation, he mostly goes into the Mayans and Easter island.

 

[agonistes]

Biggest disappointment: No change concerning the mass destruction of city states by the AI in the first 50 rounds of a game.
I really would like to play WITH city states again.

Just use the walls for city-states mod. TCS.

 

[blackbutterfly]

Also check out the book Collapse by Jared Diamond to read about specific cases of deforestation, he mostly goes into the Mayans and Easter island.

Easter island is interesting. Islands in themselves are very revealing. E.g: Galapagos to Darwin (evolution).

Apart from the Easter Island Polynesians most indigenous peoples avoided the chop only to conserve/preserve resources for other civilisations to plunder instead

 

[gozpel]

De-forestation has been with humans after they stopped walking on four limbs. The rate of de-forestation today is alarming. Usually in poor countries, but then...

We have big companies from US and Germany, that want all that wood now, so they can make a profit. Don't forget China, they are late on this train, but they will cut down anything bigger than a flower, to make their ends meet.

I think I read that India is going the same way.

The only way is to replant trees, but it takes years and years, do the profit-makers have the time for that? I think not!