SQ2: Schizophrenic Shaka

[choxorn]

I guess that's what I'll do, then.

 

[choxorn]

Status Report: It is currently Turn 9. Fission research completes in 2 turns. I think it is time for massive gifting and Pink Zulu war. However, there seems to be one small obstacle that may require a strategy readjustment: In the Turn 6-7 IBT, The Orange Zulu declared war on me, and I'm afraid we won't get the vote! It's not that I fear the Orange Zulu (In fact, I'm doing pretty well in the war- I captured three cities and am on the verge of capturing a fourth, and I got an MGL ), it's that I fear the Pink Zulu. The DBZ have only 3 cities right in the middle of the Pink Zulu. If they get conquered, or if anyone else gets conquered for that matter, We only get 3 votes out of 6 and the vote is inconclusive. So, advice please? Oh, and one more thing: We are currently average compared to Pink and Orange, and strong to everyone else, but we lost our oil source!

 

[choxorn]

Okay, my idea. Give a high flip risk city to the Blue Zulu. Oh, and BTW, since no one else seems to be able to play this, I think I'll just play the rest of the (three) turns.

 

[Whomp]

If you've captured that many cities can you make peace with orange?
You could even buy them into a MA vs. Pink right before the vote.
Pink is the biggest threat correct?

 

[choxorn]

Two things that won't allow me to do that.
1. The #$%*&^(^& Orange Zulu won't sign peace with me.
2. I quote from SQ's original post:

1. No military alliances or trade embargoes. How are you going to ally against an enemy when they all have the same name? On the other hand, Rights of Passage agreements and Mutual Protection Pacts are still possible.
2. No slave workers. How are you possibly going to make them slaves when captured workers are of the same nationality as you?
3. Culture flips like mad. Every city will have Zulu people who admire one particular Zulu culture, but whose?
4. Impi on Impi action. When was the last time you triggered two golden ages on the same turn?
5. Ahh, and here's the kicker. We want to cure our schizophrenia somehow. Desired victory condition: Diplomatic. Guess what? You can't vote for yourself, because you don't know which Shaka is you!

Remember, we can't MA! We can sign MPP's, though.
Oh, something else of importance:
After giving the DBZ a city (schizodeer, sorry if it was the wrong choice), I did some experimenting with massive gifting and NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK!!!!!! AARRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :suicide: So what now?

 

[Whomp]

Very complex variant Chox so don't worry.

Sign everyone to an MPP, gift a city nearby to Orange so when they overrun the city all the MPP's will kick in. This needs to happen before UN finishes.

Did you turn off science to see if you can give "gpt" to orange? Techs for peace?
If they will talk then a deal can likely be struck. If not you're only a few turns away.

 

[choxorn]

This still doesn't answer how we get the non-Pink Zulus to be Polite or Gracious to us. If they're all furious, we'll end up with 6 abstains and a vote for the Pink Zulu, or 5 abstains and 2 votes for the Pink Zulu, depending on what the Orange Zulu think of the Pink Zulu.

 

[Whomp]

I doubt that will ever change. They haven't been gracious regardless of the gifts, governments, gpt etc we've offered. The only thing that gives us a chance, imo, is to have a common struggle. War.

 

[choxorn]

So, in other words, declare war on the Pink Zulu and bait them into attacking a city so everyone else declares war? No Problemo.

 

[Whomp]

You should do this a few turns before UN is finished with the MPPs in place.

 

[choxorn]

It's done. However, it didn't do much to improve relations (Now the DBZ are only annoyed with us). So now what? Now should I try massive gifts?

 

[Whomp]

Do we have UN?

 

[choxorn]

3 turns from completion.

 

[Whomp]

OK get the MPPs in place, make peace with Orange, gift one of the remote cities that's close to Pink and then declare on them. The attitudes won't change.

 

[choxorn]

They are in place, I declared war on Pink and gave them a city so they would take it and trigger the MPP's, but the OZ won't listen, and HOW THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE OTHER ZULUS POLITE WITH ME??????

 

[Whomp]

They are in place, I declared war on Pink and gave them a city so they would declare war, but the OZ won't listen, and HOW THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE OTHER ZULUS POLITE WITH ME??????

It's simply not possible to make them polite so don't worry about it. If they're at war with pink they won't vote for him.

On Orange, have you turned science to 0%? Once you've done that you should have gpt to give for 1. peace and 2. MPP. You may be able to add techs, resources and luxs to get the job done. Have you tried all that?

What city will pink attack? Leave something open to kick in the MPPs.

 

[choxorn]

If it's not possible to make them polite, how do I make them vote for me?

 

[gmaharriet]

lurker's comment: They don't have to like you. You simply have to be the lesser of two evils.

 

[choxorn]

But if they're all furious/annoyed with both of us, won't they abstain?

 

[Whomp]

They might but the only way they'll vote for us is if they are angrier with Pink because of war.