St. Basils Cathedral confused with The Kremlin?

[motor_ola]

I was browsing through the manual when i found this on page 157:



I really hope it's just a placeholder icon and that it's correct in-game, this would be a really silly mistake otherwise. Maybe they first had the cathedral in the game and decided to swap it for the Kremlin, and didn't bother changing the icon in the manual.

 

[Delgar]

If I am not wrong this was also the case in Civ IV...hmm.

 

[Lillefix]

It's a part of the Kremlin

 

[r_rolo1]

Like Big Ben is part of the Palace of Westminster And they didn't called it "Palace of Westminster"

 

[Mercade]

It's a part of the Kremlin

It's not. I suppose it was selected because it's a nice colourful picture, but indeed St. Basil's Catherdral is not even in the Kremlin. There are four other cathedrals inside the Kremlin walls, but not this one.

Like Big Ben is part of the Palace of Westminster And they didn't called it "Palace of Westminster"

It's not the same. Big Ben is a particular tower and they're calling it just that (not getting into the argument of whether it's just the big bell or the whole tower). Of course they could've called it "The Clock Tower of Westminster Palace", but calling that tower Big Ben is not wrong. The analogy would've worked if the wonder was Buckingham Palace and they put a picture of Big Ben. Here they're using a picture of something that just isn't part of the Kremlin.

 

[youknowwhatitis]

The Kremlin and St Basil's are both in Red Square but are not the same building

 

[smileylad]

Actually, Big Ben is only the bell inside St Stephen's Tower, so calling the Tower you can see 'Big Ben' is wrong

 

[motor_ola]

It's not. I suppose it was selected because it's a nice colourful picture, but indeed St. Basil's Catherdral is not even in the Kremlin. There are four other cathedrals inside the Kremlin walls, but not this one.

Indeed, they're certainly close by but on the opposite sides of the red square. That's like having The White House as a wonder and showing a picture of the Washington Monument. It's certainly close by but it's not the same building/complex. Medvedev doesn't have his office in a cathedral and Obama doesn't lead the country from atop the Washington Monument (although it would admittedly be pretty cool if he did).

Btw I would say calling the clock tower Big Ben is fine, since if you for example look up Big Ben on Wikipedia the first thing you see is a bunch of pictures of the tower, and the only picture of the bell is far down in the article and of poor quality.
Anyway, arguing about the Big Ben is just being anal, while this is simply incorrect.

 

[DeepQantas]

The Kremlin and St Basil's are both in Red Square but are not the same building

Should've just called the wonder Red Square. You get proper name, can use St Basil as pic, it has military theme by itself and it's connected to the Kremlin.

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, IMHO they just thinked "It is in Moscow, so it will do"

Chichen Itza is far worse, btw

 

[Louis XXIV]

Interestingly enough, half the google search images for Kremlin comes up with St. Basils Cathedral. It's technically wrong, but it's a commonly repeated error.

 

[Venereus]

Interestingly enough, half the google search images for Kremlin comes up with St. Basils Cathedral. It's technically wrong, but it's a commonly repeated error.

Doesn't make it right though. Bad info is bad.

 

[Mercade]

Well, IMHO they just thinked "It is in Moscow, so it will do"

Chichen Itza is far worse, btw

OK. I'll bite. First of all, the fact that another wonder may also not have the ideal icon, does not make that it's right for Kremlin to be depicted by the wrong icon. So what? Another wrong doesn't make this right.

Secondly, Chitchen Itza is represented by the Temple of Kukulkan, which is arguably the center of Chitchen Itza and its most prominent building. So they selected a prominent building inside Chitchen Itza to represent the whole. This is quite logical since it's iconic for the site and how else would you represent a whole historical complex in a meaningful miniature?

If they had selected a piece of Kremlin wall to represent the Kremlin, I'm sure Motor-Ola wouldn't have created this thread.

 

[r_rolo1]

It is still a misgiven name/misgiven pic ( one of the two options ). That was my point

 

[Louis XXIV]

Doesn't make it right though. Bad info is bad.

I know. But it's a more understandable mistake.

 

[Lord Tirian]

The Kremlin and St Basil's are both in Red Square but are not the same building

Yep. They're very closely associated, though, even on the UNESCO page, where it says "Kremlin and Red Square" and... shows the cathedral.

It's not exactly right... but the same as with Big Ben; tourist worldview. And bothers me about as much as the Big Ben: One of the things were everybody knows it's not exactly right, but you've got that association anyway.

Civ isn't perfect historical accuracy; it's going for memorable, evocative iconics - and that it certainly does.

Cheers, LT.

 

[CossackProblem]

I swear using St. Basil's Cathedral for the Kremlin must be some kind of commercial inside joke.

 

[Zhahz]

I swear using St. Basil's Cathedral for the Kremlin must be some kind of commercial inside joke.

Well, seeing people get so worked up over what is essentially a trivial and tiny thing in a game is rather amusing.

 

[Kazimierz Wielk]

The Kremlin is the actual fortress and there are many other views of it that would have been more suitable (View from across the river or from one of the bridges, for example). Also, the Kremlin is not IN Red Square. It borders (and forms) one side of Red Square. The main entrance is not on Red Square either.

It is most likely, as stated earlier, an example of the Kremlin is in Moscow and St. Basil's is often a symbol for Moscow, hence it was substituted. From an authenticity point of view, they should have actually shown the walls of the Kremlin with the golden domes of the churches within.

 

[Venereus]

The Kremlin is the actual fortress and there are many other views of it that would have been more suitable (View from across the river or from one of the bridges, for example). Also, the Kremlin is not IN Red Square. It borders (and forms) one side of Red Square. The main entrance is not on Red Square either.

It is most likely, as stated earlier, an example of the Kremlin is in Moscow and St. Basil's is often a symbol for Moscow, hence it was substituted. From an authenticity point of view, they should have actually shown the walls of the Kremlin with the golden domes of the churches within.

Considering the wonder's effect, showing the fortress/walls should've been the way to go.