What is wrong with you people. This is a game. Those people are nothing more than electrons on your screen. Who cares if you starve them, bomb them, tear them appart. It is a game. You do what you have to win. You guys probably never play Duke Nukem, Half Life or other shooters because you have to "kill" people on the screen. Get a life nerds.
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IMO, how you play the game is some what a portrait of you in real life.
Evincar
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bla bla bla sappling...You write too much and think too little I'm afraid.
Of course I've played Duke Nukem (btw I made it in the hardest level, so you can see I do play that kind of games), Quake (idem), Unreal Tournament and maybe some other ones.
Yeah, they are cool, you destroy everything you see and it's Ok, the more you kill, the funnier. WHY? because it is an action game!!!!! It's about leaving no one alive. Unrealistic? sure, who cares?
Now, this game is called CIVILIZATION. The whole idea of this is to DEVELOPE YOUR CIV. And I personally think that intentionally starving your citizens shouldn't help much. This game is intended to be about constructing, but in the end it tends to be about destructing everything you don't own, and somethings you own but bother you, such as unhappy citizens...well, that sounds just like the opposite of civilizating (think I'm inventing the word) the world.
Now do you see our point?? Carnage is great for Quake Arena, but not for Civ III. Well, of course it's OK if you can become some kind of Stalin, conquer the world and kill anyone you dislike, but this should have its costs. However, the way the game is set, it seems to be the the best (if not the only) way
Of course I've played Duke Nukem (btw I made it in the hardest level, so you can see I do play that kind of games), Quake (idem), Unreal Tournament and maybe some other ones.
Yeah, they are cool, you destroy everything you see and it's Ok, the more you kill, the funnier. WHY? because it is an action game!!!!! It's about leaving no one alive. Unrealistic? sure, who cares?
Now, this game is called CIVILIZATION. The whole idea of this is to DEVELOPE YOUR CIV. And I personally think that intentionally starving your citizens shouldn't help much
. This game is intended to be about constructing, but in the end it tends to be about destructing everything you don't own, and somethings you own but bother you, such as unhappy citizens...well, that sounds just like the opposite of civilizating (think I'm inventing the word) the world.Now do you see our point?? Carnage is great for Quake Arena, but not for Civ III. Well, of course it's OK if you can become some kind of Stalin, conquer the world and kill anyone you dislike, but this should have its costs. However, the way the game is set, it seems to be the the best (if not the only) way
Originally posted by Evincar
The whole idea of this is to DEVELOPE YOUR CIV. And I personally think that intentionally starving your citizens shouldn't help much
Exactly, the more citizens in my empire, the higher my final score. Why on earth would I want to starve them to death on purpose? The reason they starve to death because I have no other options to save them.
sabo
My Ancestors were Vikings
What is wrong with you people. This is a game. Those people are nothing more than electrons on your screen. Who cares if you starve them, bomb them, tear them appart. It is a game. You do what you have to win. You guys probably never play Duke Nukem, Half Life or other shooters because you have to "kill" people on the screen. Get a life nerds
You mean those little people running around on my monitor aren't real????
You mean those little people running around on my monitor aren't real????
alexander dumas
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The doctor says that as long as I only let my imaginary citizens die I'll be ok. Once I consider starving my roommates then I'm in trouble.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
It's just like listening to the voices in your head.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
Unhappy people still work (unless they are rioting). I like the risk of a death spiral in the game.
Zouave
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Starving people; razing (and exterminating) cities of millions with ease; nuclear war without the deterent of a Quick Response to a First Strike; or bombarding a population down to almost nothing; it all encourages genocide and mass slaughter on a scale the Nazis couldn't dream of.
That is another reason why Culture Flipping is so stupid, among other reasons. The game pushes this Culture crap at us - while encouraging mass murder. Talk about a split personality.
That is another reason why Culture Flipping is so stupid, among other reasons. The game pushes this Culture crap at us - while encouraging mass murder. Talk about a split personality.
Zouave
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Originally posted by sabo10
What is wrong with you people. This is a game. Those people are nothing more than electrons on your screen. Who cares if you starve them, bomb them, tear them appart. It is a game. You do what you have to win. You guys probably never play Duke Nukem, Half Life or other shooters because you have to "kill" people on the screen. Get a life nerds
You mean those little people running around on my monitor aren't real????
YOU obviously don't mind a Fantasy game that rejects the attempts at realism of Civ 2. Those of us who loved Civ 2 and care about some semblance and simulation of realism with respect for History (and common sense) DO care.
I usually turn unhappy people into specialists; therefore, the city would produce less food. That's what I really mean.
Zachriel
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Starvation is the natural consequence of war. It is essential to gain immediate military and political control after conquering a city. A concentration of military power is used to end the resistance quickly, while temples and cathedrals are used to gain effective political (cultural) control.
Fewer will die in the long run if you enforce total control of the traumatized population. Not until after the chaos ends and order is restored can the starvation be ended and people return to work.
http://www.crowncity.net/civ3/GOTM5/1870ad.htm
(By the way, I use the governor, and concentrate my efforts on getting up enough cash to rush improvements.)
Fewer will die in the long run if you enforce total control of the traumatized population. Not until after the chaos ends and order is restored can the starvation be ended and people return to work.
http://www.crowncity.net/civ3/GOTM5/1870ad.htm
(By the way, I use the governor, and concentrate my efforts on getting up enough cash to rush improvements.)
smallstepforman
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Instead of starvation, think of it as ETHNIC CLEANSING. Works for me, and is based on history
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You know you've been playing Civ3 too much when you consider inviting your neighbors over and then starving them so your front yard won't culture flip to them.
Starving people to make them happy is balls-out insane. The world just doesn't work that way.
Yes, I know it's a fantasy game, but what makes it fun is it's semblance to reality. What makes Rogue Spear fun? In a way, you're actually using realistic weapons to kill realistic terrorists. So when I'm playing fantasy emporer or whatever, I want to play in a world that's realistic.
Yes, I know it's a fantasy game, but what makes it fun is it's semblance to reality. What makes Rogue Spear fun? In a way, you're actually using realistic weapons to kill realistic terrorists. So when I'm playing fantasy emporer or whatever, I want to play in a world that's realistic.
jpowers
Emperor
Doc, you're right on with respect to my initial posting here. Civ 3 shouldn't be tracking morality - it should be simulating something approaching real life. In Civ 3, starvation is a useful solution to many of the problems cities have. This seems to be one of the biggest gaps between reality and the game, and I'd like to see it fixed. No government has ever been able to effectively implement zero population growth without negative consequences, so every government had better find ways to deal with Malthus. Starving everyone isn't practical in real life, and shouldn't be in the game.
Zachriel
Kaiser
When the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, in many rural areas people were eating grass because they had no food. Due to the quick ending of the war, and the immediate ending of anarchy because of the overwhelming coalition military force, starvation ended quickly.
In Somalia, war has been raging off and on for years. Starvation is rampant, and food is a weapon of war for the local despots.
To repeat, starvation is the natural consequence of war. Prolonged wars, razing of cities, lack of order in the cities, will lead to prolonged periods of starvation. The solution is a quick end to the war, and the re-establishment of order.
In Somalia, war has been raging off and on for years. Starvation is rampant, and food is a weapon of war for the local despots.
To repeat, starvation is the natural consequence of war. Prolonged wars, razing of cities, lack of order in the cities, will lead to prolonged periods of starvation. The solution is a quick end to the war, and the re-establishment of order.
Moreover, if your government is democratic, you must end the war quickly or you may have to switch government (I never switch government in time of war, but I know many people like to do that). How many people have to die during Anarchy because of low food production? In real life, some people may die so that their children can live and have a better future. There isn't anything wrong with that.
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think of it this way: u conquer a city, install a military govt and draft all local people with any artistic talent into the theatre and the military police makes sure everyone attends...less time to produce food and also less idle time discussing how bad the new rulers are.
Zouave
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That's funny. That's just about as ILLOGICAL as the game is.
One problem though: when people start passing out from hunger and dying in the middle of these concerts, one, what do you do with the bodies, and, two, why would everyone else stay "happy"??
wohmongarinf00l
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Originally posted by Zouave
One problem though: when people start passing out from hunger and dying in the middle of these concerts, one, what do you do with the bodies, and, two, why would everyone else stay "happy"??
ur first question is rather silly: of course u get rid of the bodies the normal way, u know...bury or cremate.
as to why people would stay happy...well..err...soon enough u hook them up with temples (better religion) and bring in the silks, ivory, dyes and fine wines. pretty soon ur own population moves in and the whole "alien culture" problem becomes moot.
