Steel and aluminum tariffs announced

They ought to all sanction the Trump Organization instead (or in addition to). It's the only thing Trump actually cares about.

IIRC all Trump Towers [except in NY] are owned by other people who merely license the name. I say, countries either outlaw this practice as an unfair & misleading practice or perhaps tax it.
Places like Scotland could seize Trump's golf courses using eminent domain. :hammer:
 
EU, Mexico & Canada retaliate

WASHINGTON/BRUSSELS, June 1 (Reuters) - Canada, Mexico and the European Union retaliated against U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum with levies on billions of dollars of U.S. goods from orange juice and whiskey to blue jeans and Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

The EU took the United States to the World Trade Organization to challenge the legality of the new tariffs and the Trump administration’s national-security justification. Brussels lodged an eight-page list at the international trade body of goods it would hit with retaliatory measures.

They run the gamut from big motorcycles like the Harleys, built on the home turf of House Speaker Paul Ryan, to “canoes,” “manicure or pedicure preparations” and even “sinks and washbasins, of stainless steel” ― the proverbial kitchen sink.

“We are determined to protect the multilateral system,” European Union Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom said. “We are expecting everybody to play by the rules.”

President Donald Trump’s tariffs on Washington’s closest allies drew condemnation at home from Republican lawmakers and the country’s main business lobbying group and sent a chill through financial markets.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 1 percent and the S&P 500 shed 0.69 percent on Thursday. Shares of industrial heavyweights Boeing and Caterpillar both fell. Trade war fears drove Chinese shares lower on Friday, with the Shanghai Composite Index ending down 0.7 percent.

European shares were bolstered by a long-awaited deal to form a government in Italy, but still down for the week.

Tariffs of 25 percent on steel imports and 10 percent on aluminum were imposed on the EU, Canada and Mexico from midnight in Washington, 0400 GMT on Friday.

“We look forward to continued negotiations, both with Canada and Mexico on the one hand, and with the European Commission on the other hand, because there are other issues that we also need to get resolved,” U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said.

But the EU’s Malmstrom said there would be no such wider trade talks as long as the U.S. measures were in place.

“We were not at the negotiating table. Our offer was: ‘You take this gun away from us, we sit together as friends and equals and we discuss,’ and this would eventually lead to negotiations,” Malmstrom told a news conference in Brussels. “We never got this. So now this door for the moment is closed.”

Canada and Mexico, embroiled in talks with the United States to modernize the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), responded swiftly. Canada, the largest supplier of steel to the United States, will impose tariffs covering C$16.6 billion ($12.8 billion) on U.S. imports, including whiskey, orange juice, steel, aluminum and other products.

A DECISION WE DEPLORE
“The American administration has made a decision today that we deplore, and obviously is going to lead to retaliatory measures, as it must,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said.

Mexico announced what it described as “equivalent” measures on a wide range of U.S. farm and industrial products, including pork legs, apples, grapes, cheese, steel and other goods.

The S&P 500’s packaged foods and meats industry sub-index fell 2 percent, with shares of meat producer Tyson Foods Inc falling 3.9 percent.

For the EU, a decision on just how far to push back will require agreement among the 28 member states that make up the world’s biggest trade bloc. Germany, by far the biggest exporter to the United States, is keen to avoid a wider trade war, especially as the Trump administration has floated the prospect of tariffs on cars. Other countries such as France favor more forceful retaliation against what they see as American bullying.

EU members have so far given broad support to a European Commission plan to set duties on 2.8 billion euros ($3.4 billion) of U.S. exports. EU exports subject to U.S. duties are worth 6.4 billion euros ($7.5 billion).

While the U.S. administration’s decision to hit its European and North American allies with the metals tariffs was not aimed directly at China, it also sets the background for negotiations with Beijing, where Ross was headed on Friday for talks.

The Trump administration wants China to buy more American goods to lower a trade deficit. Opponents of the tariffs on European and North American metals say it is hurting allies when it needs them most to help put pressure on Beijing.

“All countries, especially the major economies, should resolutely oppose all forms of trade and investment protectionism,” China’s foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a media briefing, when asked about the U.S. move.

Malmstrom said China’s over-production was to blame for the glut of steel that prompted the U.S. action against its allies. She also announced a case against China at the WTO over the alleged infringement of intellectual property rights, saying the action simultaneous with its case against the United States showed that the EU was being evenhanded.

French President Emmanuel Macron telephoned Trump to tell him he believed the tariffs were both a mistake and illegal, his office said.
 
So much for the golden dreams of a Brexit free trade deal, eh?
 
yeah.... because of the anti-union there
With retalliations of the EU aimed also at red states....
will be interesting to see how those red states fare, and their voters behave, in the tit for tat to come.

Well the EU are currently in agreement with 1:1 retaliatory tariffs
I suspect it will depend on if the EU can get consensuses if the trade war escalates as EU is currently dealing with internal crisis, of course if it also depends on the other trade wars, with Canada and Mexico, China and Japan etc
For the moment all Trump still has reasonable support as the US economy is going strong and many are willing to forgive much as long as this continues.
 
The USA has a genuine problem with an enormous trade deficit with China. So does the UK for that matter.

I doubt that Donald Trump's tariffs on Aluminium and Steel imports to the USA are a good way of dealing with it.

Those tariffs don't impact the UK much because most of our aluminium and steel industry was closed down
and what remains is not particular commodity price dependent. But Germany and others are impacted more.

I believe that the EU is being extremely foolish in responding to Donald Trump's provocation.

That may merely have the effect of uniting the two US Houses around more effective measures.

And if the USA is going to put tariffs on Scottish whiskey and Jaguar cars, then that is all the
more reason for the UK not to have a customs union with the EU after March 2019.

I am sceptical of free trade deals, but even more so of getting involved in other peoples (trade) wars.
 
What's more, the EU specifically hasn't retaliated yet, unless of course you think that unprovoked (and probably illegal) tariffs should just be quietly left to stand.
 
Next week is the G-7
They can all look each other in the eyes instead of shouting from behind fenches.
 
Next week is the G-7
They can all look each other in the eyes instead of shouting from behind fenches.

You think Bonespurs, will turn up ?
 
Next week is the G-7
They can all look each other in the eyes instead of shouting from behind fenches.

Good point, but the Donald did not back down after being generally mobbed over the muslim ban,
climate change and the Iran deals, so it is somewhat optimistic to assume he will back off over trade.

We shall see.
 
Bonespurs

Had to look that up

What an irony...
I know the idiom "to earn one's spurs"
Is the same in Dutch: to earn respect, knighthood by an act worthy of it.

And here it is a nickname for that five-deferment draft dodger mr. trump.
The medical deferment trick by getting bone spurs diagnosed.


Anyway... he will for sure show up, to steal the show at the G7... or is it meanwhile the G6+1 ?

The label references Trump's reported avoidance of the Vietnam War draft. In 1968, at the age of 22, he received a diagnosis for bone spurs in his heels that he used to obtain a 1-Y medical deferment from military service. Bone spurs are projections that form on bones, particularly in the joints. Trump later received four additional deferments for being enrolled in school.

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-...ame-was-coined-by-sen-tammy-duckworth-8150101
 
Good point, but the Donald did not back down after being generally mobbed over the muslim ban,
climate change and the Iran deals, so it is somewhat optimistic to assume he will back off over trade.

We shall see.

Trump is an Internet Tough Guy. He'll ignore it or tweet and lash out when people are criticizing him from a distance, but generally agree with the last person in the room. He'll easily fold when confronted and outnumbered in person.
Of course, once he's back in the White House and only surrounded by syccophants he'll renege on everything again.

Maybe he'll just cancel the summit to avoid embarrassment.
 
I believe that the EU is being extremely foolish in responding to Donald Trump's provocation.

That may merely have the effect of uniting the two US Houses around more effective measures.

It is indeed foolish, the EU mercantilists have "more to lose" than the US from a trade war. The people of the EU, those have something to gain. Anything that may hasten its demise...
The sole thing holding Trump back from going full in to a trade war right now are the elections this year there. After those are done, and if he still can dictate policy (I'm guessing his party will retain a majority), count on the US hitting both german exports and access to dollars by european banks very, very hard.

Why is this a problem?

1) jobs.
2) strategic industries for the military power of the empire.
 
I heard a very clever description of Trump the other day, as Churchill once said about the German army:

Trump is either at your throat or at your feet.

They were talking about DPRK, and how Trump has gone from his raving madman bluster to basically groveling to get his precious summit back on track, but it is a pretty apt line overall. He'll rave about his trade war until the G-8, then he'll grovel around with his "please tell me you like me" face on, then from a safe distance he'll be right back to it.
 
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