KaiserElectric
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In summation, I think this gem I found covers the whole situation quite nicely.
Stephen Colbert Makes Joke, Twitter Outrage Ensues
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I swear, I'm really trying to understand her. It's not happening.
In summation, I think this gem I found covers the whole situation quite nicely.
This a thousand times.
The cancel Colbert thing is just the tip of the iceberg. She said she doesn't even care about it. She's just using it for self promotion. It's difficult to understand what it is she's promoting. Her philosophy on race is just all over the place, it's all garbled theoretical jargon. It's completely nonsensical.
Gori the Grey
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"I know, NovaKart. Asians sure do sound funny, don't they?
What sounds like garbling, though, is just the result of the fact that Asians, when they use English, omit certain connectors that white people use.
Let me give you an example. If a white person were to want to utter an endearing comment, he might say. Hey, honey, if you kiss my teacup, that alone will make it sweet; I don't need any sugar when you are around.
If an Asian were to say the same thing, he might say
Notice the logical connectors that should be inserted
If you kiss my tea it will make it sweet; I don't need any sugar when you are around.
So when Park says something like
you just need to supply the missing connectors.
The expectation that a white person would be an ally to Asian-Americans is as predictable, but ultimately empty, as anything produced by the industrial complex.
See! They're not so hard to understand after all."
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Only that wasn't a tweet so it can't even be argued that your comments were taken out of context.
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@ Gori
So because what Ms. Park said was nonsensical to most of us, you are trying to justify that by saying every Asian person is the same and because of that their "grammar" [Which looked fine to me] is why "we don't understand them" [And no one is talking about Asians as a collective, which is a ridiculous notion just like it is calling any group of people as a uniform group - but rather what Ms. Park is saying herself]? I don't think Nova was confused at her grammar, which wasn't confusing when I read it... but rather her ideology.
So because what Ms. Park said was nonsensical to most of us, you are trying to justify that by saying every Asian person is the same and because of that their "grammar" [Which looked fine to me] is why "we don't understand them" [And no one is talking about Asians as a collective, which is a ridiculous notion just like it is calling any group of people as a uniform group - but rather what Ms. Park is saying herself]? I don't think Nova was confused at her grammar, which wasn't confusing when I read it... but rather her ideology.
Gori the Grey
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No, it was a caricature of how Asians speak. Only funny when Colbert does it, eh?
By the way, notice the quotation marks. It wasn't me talking; it was a character I play called "Gori the Grey"
Formaldehyde
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And I see you still don't "get" it.
Gori the Grey
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What don't I get?
Formaldehyde
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You have hardly established a persona of being bigoted, as Colbert has since the inception of his show. But keep trying if you actually think that will help.
Gori the Grey
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But you know my positions. You know the real Gori the Grey doesn't believe this. I've done several tongue-in-cheek bits on this forum.
I have to have played the role of a bigot for years to get away with mocking how people of a particular ethnicity talk?
Formaldehyde
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What I do know is that you also seem to fit in the intersection of that Venn diagram.
Gori the Grey
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If it matters to y'all I don't find either of you two as particularly funny
I hope you find one of me dead serious.
Gori the Grey
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I haven't called for Colbert to be cancelled. I'm in a circle that isn't represented on the chart: Understands that this instance of satire contained an aspect that was offensive in a way that is not redeemed by the satire.
Terxpahseyton
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That is a good point. Many people are fundamentalists / extremist when it comes to satire. It is like a holy law of everything goes.
"What you mean you were offended?
It was a satire!
S - A - T - I - R - E!"
- "Yeah, but"
"SATIRE!"
- "Look, I understand. Still, it..."
"Everything is alright my friend."
- "Would you let me.."
"SATIRE!"
The fact of the matter is - even a satire can make something offensive more ordinary and by that also perhaps more acceptable at the end of the day.
So there are in principle potentially reasonable grounds to be offended by a satire.
To illustrate with something extreme: If a satire incorporated 3-year-olds being raped while being eaten alive - all the while being perfectly to the point of the satire - may still raise an eyebrow or two. Essentially for the reason I gave.
"What you mean you were offended?
It was a satire!
S - A - T - I - R - E!"
- "Yeah, but"
"SATIRE!"
- "Look, I understand. Still, it..."
"Everything is alright my friend."
- "Would you let me.."
"SATIRE!"
The fact of the matter is - even a satire can make something offensive more ordinary and by that also perhaps more acceptable at the end of the day.
So there are in principle potentially reasonable grounds to be offended by a satire.
To illustrate with something extreme: If a satire incorporated 3-year-olds being raped while being eaten alive - all the while being perfectly to the point of the satire - may still raise an eyebrow or two. Essentially for the reason I gave.
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Only apparently nobody has publicly claimed to be "offended" by this particular "satire". That is until this clear overreaction based on a tweet where it was taken out of context. This is despite Colbert using this particular stereotype for nearly 7 years now.
How many of those complaining about this have made similar remarks regarding Sacha Baron Cohen?
How many complain when Jon Stewart does his New Jersey or Jewish stereotypes?
How many of those complaining about this have made similar remarks regarding Sacha Baron Cohen?
How many complain when Jon Stewart does his New Jersey or Jewish stereotypes?
Terxpahseyton
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What can I tell you? People are part of their environment. Individualism is largely a ruse. So people needed the environment of twitter to find their rage. Happens. Okay, twitter sucks and its users suck (except when they don't) but that doesn't make the cause less worthy.
Though I don't actually care for their cause. I find racism way to ridiculous too wonder about political correctness. But then I also am not the member of a sub-race. Or at least I don't perceive myself as such. When being sufficiently tanned I have already been mistaken for a turk, which is like the lowest sub race in Germany (well except black people at the wrong place at the wrong time, though being black can also make you a higher race, like totally interesting and cool - really depends. For me for instance female Asians are sorta a higher race, but male Asians a sub-race... race is just so complicated with all its levels and intricacies).
Though I don't actually care for their cause. I find racism way to ridiculous too wonder about political correctness. But then I also am not the member of a sub-race. Or at least I don't perceive myself as such. When being sufficiently tanned I have already been mistaken for a turk, which is like the lowest sub race in Germany (well except black people at the wrong place at the wrong time, though being black can also make you a higher race, like totally interesting and cool - really depends. For me for instance female Asians are sorta a higher race, but male Asians a sub-race... race is just so complicated with all its levels and intricacies).
