stJNES: Low Tide

To: Kush
From: Egypt


To ensure future peace between our nations, we request to purchase the city of Thebes, our ancient capital. Here is a map of the potential future borders.

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ooc: Please note that the pictures contained in this post are out-of-character and somewhat out-of-context, and that this half-baked "story" is clearly just an excuse to put those pictures up.

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Excerpts from "How to Rule a Nation," by Ai Shin.*

Spoiler ''from Chapter 3 - On diplomacy'' :
Foreign diplomats must be treated with utmost respect, even if there has been tension or even hostility between your own nation the nation the diplomat represents. Killing messengers is a deplorable act looked down upon by many civilized peoples.

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Spoiler ''from Chapter 3 - On diplomacy :
Deal with diplomats with utmost patience. Lack of patience may lead to irritation, and irritation to anger, and anger to the death of the said diplomat.

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Spoiler ''from Chapter 11 - On war'' :
If you are to lead a nation to war, be absolutely prepared beforehand for all needs prior, during, and after the war.

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*The author is widely regarded as one of the first political analysts (albeit a crude one) of the Far East, possibly even the world.
 
To: Kush
From: Egypt

We will be willing to pay three, and sign a pact of nonagression with the current dynasty of Kush.
 
Pharoahs of Egypt (New Stuff is Italicized)

Upper Egypt

Predynastic Period
Much of this time is lost to mythology, but it is known that several small city-states flourished in the area which would someday become Egypt, gradually growing in strength until one would be able to declare itself 'the' Egyptian kingdom.

Dynasty I
Der (3010-2947) was the near-mythic figure who first united Egypt, defeating the King of Thinis and establishing a capital at Thebes. He distinguished himself from the predynastic rulers, and immortalized his name by building the first of the pyramids.

Det (2947-2912) spent most of his years fighting against a coalition of rival states upriver from Thebes.

Tety (2912-2878) completed Det's wars, and began a great conquest northwards. He introduced the first chariots into the Egyptian army.

Tety II (2878-2870) saw the great campaign northwards halt to a stop, and died prematurely from a plague, along with many relatives, bringing an end to the first dynasty.

Dynasty II
Heshet (2870-2841), whose origins are unknown, established his rule over Egypt and ruled the nation in prosperity for much of his reign. As he approached old age, however, separatism was beginning to grow in the south.

Takha (2841-2808) quickly found himself fighting a civil war, against an enemy whose name has been lost (or perhaps erased) from history. Little is known of the war, but the Kingdom of Egypt was badly damaged during the war.

Sekheret (2808-2770) ruled capably, but Egypt remained weak. Several other forces from within and outside made their moves throughout his reign, culminating in his assasination and the end of the Second Dynasty.

1st Interdynastic Period (2770-2504)
After Sekheret's assasination, the Kingdom of Egypt based around Thebes was torn apart, and Egypt once again split into numerous city-states. Internicine warfare and the destruction of many relics of the earlier dynasties marked this period. It would not end until an alliance of various states subdued all other forces, finally re-establishing peace.

1st Oligarchic Period (2504-2329)
Numerous minor Kings ruled their cities, governing Egypt with a council. Egypt experienced a cultural blossoming at this time. Unfortunately, the government grew unstable as conditions outside of the nation worsened, and the Oligarchy collapsed. Due to the lack of many great central figures during this time, and the destruction wreaked by the following Interdynastic Period, a complete list of leaders from the Oligarchic Period is impossible to make.

2nd Interdynastic Period (2329-2180)
While many argue that as the Oligarchic period had no central leader, the Second Interdynastic and Oligarchic Periods should both be grouped under the First Interdynastic Period, the majority of Egyptologists argue that the unique Oligarchic Period constitutes enough of a break to justify a different name for the continuing period lacking in Pharaohs.

The Second Interdynastic saw a resumption of the chaos from the First, although this time the scale was larger, as several of the Delta Kingdoms became involved. Numerous groups experienced exceedingly brief times of dominance before being overthrown and torn apart again. Stable government would return only after the rise of the part-Nubian Meneset, who established the Third Dynasty.

Dynasty III
Meneset (2180-2153) set up a capital in Thebes, and with the help of Nubian forces and mercenaries crushed the other forces in Egypt, destroying many of their cities. Only a coalition in the Delta resisted his rule. With Egypt firmly reunited, Meneset turned Thebes, the only remaining city that was largely intact, into the cultural light of Egypt.

Meneset II (2153-2088), known commonly as 'The Great', turned Egypt into an economic powerhouse, opening up trading links with the Mediterranean and Nubia. He had a colossal pyramid built over the course of his long reign, and built countless temples, palaces, and other structures in Thebes. In his later years, he became less concerned with Egypt, and retired to palace life.

Meneset III (2088-2071) was the first of his fathers many sons, and a weak ruler. After ruling ineffectually for several years, some of his more powerful brothers revolted. A brief civil war was fought, resulting in the deaths of the rebels. Then, Meneset's general Khave, betrayed him, killed him, and took the throne by force.

Dynasty IV
Khave (2071-2045) ruled Egypt by military force for several years, suppressing many resisters and working to discredit the previous dynasty. He eventually began to claim that many of Meneset the Great's works had been his own, a claim which would be maintained by his son.

Khaba (2045-2033) was yet another military Pharaoh, albeit slightly less adept than his father. Rivals to the north and south preyed at his realm, but he managed to hold the core of his nation together, before a plague prematurely ended his reign.

Khaba II (2033-2012) was less militaristic than his predecessors, but maintained his iron grip on Thebes. Throughout his reign, a popular campaign began to form against him. He died fighting off a revolution led by the future Pharaoh, Kesh.

Dynasty V
Kesh (2012-1944) overthrew the part-Nubian Khaba II, and put the nation back under pure-Egyptian leadership. Thebes flourished, and the Cult of Thoth began to grow dramatically.

Kesh II (1944-1923) was noted as a fervent follower of the cult of Thoth, exaggerating his father's preferences. He began the construction of several of Egypt's current great temples.

Kesh III (1923-1911) was a relatively minor king, noted mostly for several campaigns which expanded the Kingdom northwards, towards the upstart Mennaforis.

Kesh IV (1911-1911) a very young king, disappeared from the throne, to be succeeded by his uncle Djezzer.

Dynasty VI
Djezzer (1911-1882) ruled Egypt during an unstable time after the mysterious disappearance of Kesh IV, a crime which brings suspicions of Djezzer's complicity.

Sjetara (1882-1831) was the only son of Djezzer, and ruled Egypt during a particularly peaceful time. He ensured peaceful relations with Mennafor, and trade flourished.

Djezzer II (1831-1808) continued his father's peaceful rule, until the descendents of Kesh IV made their revolutionary return.

Dynasty VII
Kesh V (1808- 1789) claimed to be a descendant of the Fifth Dynasty, which had gone into hiding after the ascent of Djezzer. He overthrew Djezzer II and reasserted his lineage's claim on the throne.

Kesh VI (1789-1770) began a spree of temple building throughout Egypt, and led several campaigns southwards, eventually halting upon reaching the border of the Organized Kingdom of Kush. His dynasty would be ended by a relatively minor plague, combined by the poor health of his bloodline.

Dynasty VIII
Cambys-Ra (1770-1751) quickly took over after the demise of the seventh dynasty, instating the Cult of Ra throughout the country.

Anub-Ra (1751- 1737) began the construction of a new generation of Ra-dedicated temples in Thebes.

Dekhet-Ra (1737-1714) began the first purges of non-Ra cults in Egypt.

Arak-Ra (1714-1699) continued his father's work, though with somewhat less skill, resulting in a large amount of discontent building against his reign.

Kyvis-Ra (1699-1677) began his reign with an end to the religious purges, establishing freedom of worship for all Egyptian Cults.

Darmner-Ra (1677-1652) continued to allow increasing freedoms for the Cults, gaining himself both many friends and many enemies. He died from wouds from an assasin's arrow, and was succeeded by his younger and more radical brother.

Tabis-Ra (1652-1616) was suspected in the killing of his brother Pharaoh, but this was never proven. He reinstated the supremacy of the Cult of Ra, and his measure became progressively more extreme throughout his life. Around the end of his long reign, he began a purge of the followers of the heretic cult of Aton and the insidious cult of Thoth. Followers of these two faiths banded together with other members of the oppressed, and overthrew Tabis-Ra, ending the longstanding eighth dynasty.

3rd Interdynastic Period (1616-1498)
Following the downfall of Tabis-Ra, the Cult of Ra was finally put back in its place. Several major cults then vied for power, putting up a quick succession of Pharaohs, often overlapping and always short-reigning. Various Theocracies set up their bases of power in the cities, and the country functioned without central leadership. However, the Kushites were beginning to put pressure on Egypt's southern border.

The Third Interdynastic came to its end with the second ascendance of the Cult of Thoth. Once again based out of Thebes, a great philosopher-general named Tothis reorganized Egypt by force, and claimed the throne which had been vacant for over a century.

Dynasty IX
Tothis (1498-1480) re-established the role of the Pharaoh, and kept Egypt in a state of peace throughout the wars of Aikatarna.

Tothis II (1480-1446) began the reconstruction of several Thoth temples from Dynasties Five and Seven.

Tothis III (1446-1430) was a rather uninvolved leader, merely continuing the status quo of his father.

Tothis IV (1430- 1391) began a dramatic program to spread literacy and education throughout Egypt. While he angered traditionalists, he managed to keep the peace throughout his reign.

Tothis V (1391-1374) continued the fourth's policies, and constructed a great university in the city of Thebes. Towards the end of his reign, relations with Hadhramaut began to sour, due to a trading dispute. He died without a male heir, so after much theocratic debate, his eldest daughter became the first female Pharoah.

Sytha (1374-1348) proved to be an adroit leader, managing to keep the peace with the increasingly war-ready Mennaforis. Towards the end of her reign, she began to rebuild the Egyptian army, to fight off the growing threats of Mennafor and Kush.

Sekhis (1348-1320) was the first son of Sytha, and proved to be a very strong leader. More interested in war than knowledge, he joined into the Cult of Sekhmet, causing a great deal of instability. Sekhis managed to strong-arm his new ways past the theocracy, and the army of Egypt grew dramatically in strength and influence.

Sekhis II (1320-1291) was as enamoured with war as his father, though somewhat more rash. He nearly went to war with Mennafor on two occasions, held back only by threats from the powerful, and still Thoth-dominated theocracy.

Sekhis III (1291-1280) was a skilled domestic leader, though not the same military enthusiast as his predecessors, but ironically it was he who would be the only one to march to war. Honouring his predecessors, he agreed to an alliance with Kypris and attacked Mennafor with his great army, in what is now known as the First Nile War. While he fought off and destroyed the majority of the Mennafori army, Kypris took the northern Delta, then traded it to him in exchange for recognition of Kyprisian dominance over Cyrenaica.

Mennafor had become partly Teshupist by this point, and Sekhis III found himself dealing with a new, and dramatically different kind of religious minority. Nonetheless, it is generally regarded that the brief reign of Sekhis III was the zenith of Egyptian power. He died prematurely in a plague, before his wife could give birth to an heir.

Dynasty X
Note: Some consider this to be Dynasty I of United Egypt, but the majority insist that as Upper Egypt had conquered Mennafor, the dynasty count should continue. The fact that the Tenth Dynasty was a Mennafori family complicates this point, though it is this historian's opinion that the power remained in the South, and thus their counting system should prevail.

Djerib (1280-1266) quickly made a claim to the throne upon Sekhis III's death. While this was contested, Djerib used his considerable influence in the cults of the Delta to force his way onto the throne. Most of his reign was spent fighting rebellious elements in Upper Egypt.

Djeka (1266-1247) didn't help the instability in Egypt, by attempting to move the capital to Memphis. Constant internal conflicts prevented him from managing to notice a far greater threat, that of Kush. In 1248, the Kushites invaded, and with their abnormally advanced weapons and tactics quickly overran Upper Egypt. Djeka fled to Memphis, but was killed by assasins shortly after his arrival.

Dynasty XI

Amarkhet (1247-1213) was a general of Upper Egyptian stock who quickly seized power after Djeka's death. He fought the Kushites to a stalemate, but was unable to retake Thebes. Under heavy Hadhrami diplomatic pressure, he signed a humiliating peace treaty, surrendering Thebes and everything south of it. Amarkhet spent the remainder of his reign stabilizing Egypt, which had been radically reshaped over the previous half-century.

Amarkhet II (1213-1182) was the first Pharaoh to officially acknowledge the presence of Teshupism in Egypt, and began to rebuild the armies which were largely destroyed during the Kushite conquest of the south.

Amarkhet III (1182-1155) continued the military buildup, and began projects to limit the spread of Teshupism through Egypt.

Amarkhet IV (1155-1149) ruled only briefly, and is known most for massive amounts of court infighting which resulted in his premature death, under suspicious circumstances.

Teshupet (1149-1119) was the nephew of Amarkhet III, and was the closest living relative to the throne when Amarkhet IV died. He had been raised as a Teshupist priest, not expecting the throne, but he nonetheless proved to be quite an adept leader when forced to the task. He is credited more than any other for making Teshupism mainstream in Egypt. To appease the still-powerful cults, he integrated them into the religion to create what is known as 'State Egyptian Teshupism', or the official Egyptian interpretation of the religion. While the cults and the existence of their gods is not questioned, Teshup reigns supreme over all others.

Teshupet II (1119-1104) succeeded his father when the man passed away from old age. He renewed the old policy of military buildup, and generally maintained the status quo.

Teshupet III (1104-1039) was a bold and skillful Pharaoh, who led Egypt to the war which freed it from the clutches of the Kushites. He personally led the attack at the great Battle of Elephantine, and negotiated the burning of the documents which bound Egypt to Kush's will. The later part of his reign was a time of continued economic growth and cultural gentrification.

Teshupet IV (1039- 1033) was the grandson of Teshupet III (who had outlived his own son). His reign was generally unremarkable, though he died in middle age at an assassin's blade.

Teshupet V (1033-1032) was the short-reigning younger brother of Teshupet IV. He was assassinated only a few months after his coronation.

Rashet (1032-1019) was the closest living relative to the deceased Pharaoh and Teshupet III. He is generally believed to be responsible for the assassinations of his heirs. His reign saw a large amount of growth in the Cult of Isis, which he let go unchecked. The Teshupist clergy was highly angered, and killed him, ending the dynasty.

Dynasty XII

Kora-Teshup (1019-1008) was both head of the Egyptian Teshupist Clergy and Pharaoh. His reign saw many crackdowns on the Cult of Isis, whose bold resistance inspired many and strengthened the faith.

Khama-Teshup (1008- Present) is the current Teshupist Pharaoh of Egypt. He is currently negotiating the return of Thebes to Egypt after it was lost in 1248 during the the Second Nile War.
 
To: Emperor Tyulila
From: Eleventh Emperor of China


I am very angered by this act of piracy by the Zu. Our alliance is a defensive alliance and therefore you were not an active participate in the current war. We will stand by you until you have vengeance against the Zu.

We are currently fighting the Zu in eastern China. We ask that you send an army to assist us in eastern China. You will be compensated in the peace settlement and you army will get to kill many Zu soldiers.

To: Anui, Kyushu, Han Dominion, Gai Nal, and The Choson
From: Eleventh Emperor of China

Recently the Zu conducted an act of piracy against the peaceful Khmer people. We must stand together and fight the Zu. They must be taught that we will not tolerate them acting like the neighborhood bully, attacking their neighbors and taking what they please. Please join us in our war against the Zu. Separately our navies are small. Together our navies will sweep the Zu from the sea!

To: Taoist people of Anui, Kyushu, Han Dominion, Gai Nal, The Choson, and the Zu Dominion
From: Collectively from Taoist Priests of China.


We humbly ask you to support your brothers in Zu. They are being tortured and killed in Zu as we speak. The Zu are a disharmonious force in the universe. They name of their religion “Perfection” is a contradiction to the third jewel of Taoism. They have also begun a savage invasion of China. Furthermore, they threaten to over run some of the holiest places in Taoism. Please assist us with removing this disharmonious force from China. We ask that you cease trading with the Zu. We also ask that you send your armed men to China to assist us with driving the Zu out of the Taoist homeland
 
ooc: You honestly cannot use Taoism to justify war. :p
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A personal letter to the Chinese Emperor, Master of the Known World

We humbly propose peace terms to his majesty, the most august and magnificent Chinese Emperor, lord and master of the known world, lord and master of all men, lord and master of all women, and lord and master of all the little children of the farms and deserts.

We propose that the master give his baron, the Choson leader, swathes of land from the Heifei and Shandong province so that there will be less administrative problems for his eminence.

We propose that Chinese land south of the Yangtze be handled by his baron there, the Zu Lord-Magistrate.

We propose that Eastern Nanchao be given to his majesty's other baron in souther China, the lord of Han.

We propose that the Nanchao lord's relatives, despite their revolt against the master of the world, the master and subduer of the submissive lands of China, be given the fief of formerly western Nanchao lands.

We also humbly propose that the Gai Nal be given a fief, specifically Southern Nanchao.

We also propose that the Chinese Emperor abdicate, so that he may live happily and free of worries forever. We must let you, the lord and master of the universe, unchallenged sovereign of the game of life, have your rest!

Those are our propositions for peace, carefully designed so that his lordship need not be worried about too many land to handle. And to keep you from worrying about the flow of taxes, let us, your most humblest and most subservient barons, handle those too.

If the Chinese Emperor, king of the entire world, tamer of wild barbarians, seducer of seducers, lord of lords, protector of the weak, cannot accept, we can only insist insistently that he does.

Signed,
The handmaid of the servant of the Officer of Foreign Relations of the Zu province of China

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ooc: No, that was only half serious.
 
ooc: You honestly cannot use Taoism to justify war. :p

Sure you can. ;) They got a war god titled "subduer of demons"; therefore, as long as the target is sufficiently demonic, it's okay to use Taoism as a casus belli. And you are violating the third jewel of Taoism or something, so I guess it's close enough. :p
 
should i have gained some economy? Cueta had 2 before i captured it...
 
should i have gained some economy? Cueta had 2 before i captured it...

You would have gained at most 1 (since Cueta had heavy trade ties with Eduardian Empire, and much of the infrastructure was damaged in the war) and plus you lost some from the, shall we say downsizing, of the Balearics.
 
Sure you can. ;) They got a war god titled "subduer of demons"; therefore, as long as the target is sufficiently demonic, it's okay to use Taoism as a casus belli. And you are violating the third jewel of Taoism or something, so I guess it's close enough. :p
But the priests are calling for a crusade, war from various nations, not simply finding an excuse for war. The sheer size of China itself is detrimental to this. Unlike Medieval Christianity, where the doctrine is centralized through the Church and all the priest ministers of the Pope's and the Archbishops' wills (or Islam, with the Arabic-only Koran), Taoism does not sport any central form of interpretation nor would it be able to.

The backwater farms and villages and the faraway cities will be practicing different corruptions of Taoist polytheism. It has been 900 years: unless China has been keeping some central interpretation of Taoism, using a large clergy to disseminate that information across borders, uniting all the Taoists in the Far East under one spiritual rule, and was able to produce a war-god in a basically peaceful, anti-governmental, but non-action religion to justify its wars, then perhaps calling down a crusade is more plausible, but still highly unlikely because the huge contradiction will really mess it up and breakaway "purist" sects protected by borders and distance will most likely will not want to have anything to do with the central "Church." Unlike the Abrahamic religions, where all the good values are underplayed in the shadow of glorifying God and how he is to be worshiped, Taoism has ethics at its heart.

However, my points stand: Taoism in OTL is not centralized and therefore disunited, it is political the way Gandhi was political, and unless it has been centralized early on with lots of change from the central doctrines of the Three Jewels (remember, unlike in Christianity, where those values and other ethics are underplayed and overshadowed by service to God, the Three Jewels and wu wei and other ethics define Taoism), and even then will still find some pitfalls, it would be really senseless to expect much support from Taoists just because some priests are getting all hypocritical (yes, hypocritical, not because they espouse violence but because they ask for action despite wu wei or non-action, letting nature go its course).

You really cannot expect the same results with the Abrahamic religions as with Taoism even though they are both religions. In the OTL West, religions became political. In the OTL East, politics spawned quasi-religious philosophical thought (Confucianism and Taoism).

Also, completely unrelated to what I was blathering on about earlier, Taoism has gods because it was more widely accepted by the people, who found it to be highly attractive (the values of the weak and poor, like humility and moderation, are glorified - this also explains why OTL Christianity is highly attractive). Their tribal, traditional, folk polytheism melded with the Taoist beliefs (much like OTL Christianity has melded with "heathen" traditions like Christmas in December 25 and Sabbath day in Sunday as opposed to Saturday).

Now, somebody begin quoting me so I can reorganize my thoughts on the matter.

EDIT: Yes, I want to protect my position of middling power in the game and this is a very petty attempt at it, too. However, if the NPCs begin bashing me and my Taoist minions revolting, I want to see substantial arguments and justification to back it up.

EDIT2: If you were wondering, this is a preemptive and overactive strike at the possibility of Taoist dissent and Taoist alliances.
 
Flying Chicken:

First off, the priests have not called for a crusade. They have asked support for from other Taoist. There is no demand or expectations that other Taoist will support them. There is only the hope the other Taoist will be angered by the actions of Zu and come to the aid of Taoist China.

In this timeline, the Chinese Taoist and government are very close. Taoist priest keep the people happy and productive citizens of the Empire. The Emperor gives money to the Taoist to assist them with sending missionaries to new lands and with building temples in foreign cities. They do always see things the same way, but they recognize that they depend on each other for support. Therefore, Chinese priest would be very alarmed by a Zu invasion of China.

Some of your arguments are misinterpretation’s of Taoism. Which is very understandable, it has taken me several hours reading to barely scratch the surface of this subject. WuWei is not inaction it actually means knowing when to act or not to act. A Taoist does not seek to be passive and non-aggressive. Instead, he seeks to achieve stillness to make himself more receptive to his natural intuitions. To simplify this even more. It means there are times we must act decisively and there are times we should let things go. Finally, I have seen many references stating the “Art of War” is deeply rooted in Taoism. A Taoist would not have an issue going to war. He just would not rush into a war. He would fight a war once he had considered all actions before, during, and after the war.
 
Okay, I agree about the wu wei part. How about the disunity part? Does Taoism in this timeline have a central system of interpretation like that of the Church? Translating: will the Taoists in other countries feel that this is an attack on Taoism, or simply an attack on China for being the aggressor against Nanchao?

People are not blind sheep, especially those who do lots of trade.

EDIT: I'm saying its most likely that the people of those nations are not free enough to support China in a war, those nations are too politically astute to risk their militaries in a war to save a few temples that most of their people care little about and although they have lots to gain they also run the risk of allowing a huge and powerful Chinese Empire.
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To: The Taoists of the world who care
From: The Zu Dominion


We do not sponsor killings of Taoists. We apprehend those who vandalize private property, including those who attack temples which belong to Taoist communities, and we place them in jail to rot. Those who commit murder, including those who kill innocent civilians who happen to be Taoist, are put to jail and executed.
 
Bah, hambug. How hard is it to at least partially centralise things? He could just assemble a bunch of authoritative priests and ask them to condemn the arrogant demon-people of Zu. Seriously.

will the Taoists in other countries feel that this is an attack on Taoism, or simply an attack on China for being the aggressor against Nanchao?

Who cares how they feel? It's a matter of throwing the idea out into the masses; someone is bound to pick them up, possibly for reasons other than piety.

People are not blind sheep, especially those who do lots of trade.

Yes. Ofcourse they aren't. ;)
 
@Jason I need a response from Khmer to my diplomacy.

@Flyingchicken,

I never expected entire nations to come over the Chinese side. I was looking for some mercenaries to bolster my armies. An increase in anti-Zu sentiment in neighboring lands. Not so useful now, but definite future possibilities. Of course, Taoist unrest in Zu would also be a plus.

If you look at Jason’s map of religions, most of your trading partners unaffected. The Japanese islands are mostly Shinto. Choson is half Shinto and half Taoist but already feels itself closer to China to then Zu. Han is a puppet of China, and the Khmer are against you because of your attack. The Gai Nal were one the possible wild card.

I think your act of piracy is more an issue then Taoist sympathy. It is one thing to have the largest navy and use it to protect trade and expand your empire. It is a different thing to use it for piracy. This means Zu do not follow any established rules or laws. With your navy, you can show up along any coast and steal or destroy anything you desire. This should alarm other nations.

Regarding trade, the Zu have centralized all trade through their merchants. Others nations would be jealous and desire to se this network destroyed. Then local trade could be done through their merchants.

You are not a middling power. China may have a larger army and more land. However, the Zu have stronger navy and economy. We relatively equal on a generic power scale. We only have different methods for applying our power.
 
Keep it IC guys, all that ^^ could have been said in character. Once you break character it ruins the game.


To China
From the Khmer

Yes, all forces will be garnered to defeat the Zu Dominion. An army will be sent.
 
Alright. IC be it.
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To: The world stage
From: The Zu


The Khmer had entered an alliance with the Chinese. Both of them had attacked Nanchao in tandem; this hardly marks a "defensive" alliance. What we did was not an act of piracy: it was a preemptive strike, and we got what we can out of it.
 
Keep it IC guys, all that ^^ could have been said in character.

No, it couldn't have, it was a relevant but still meta discussion. Nothing wrong with it neither, IMHO; indeed, it would be breaking character for me to discuss Taoism IC. OOC, however, it works fine and could generally add to the understandment of the situation.
 
No, it couldn't have, it was a relevant but still meta discussion. Nothing wrong with it neither, IMHO; indeed, it would be breaking character for me to discuss Taoism IC. OOC, however, it works fine and could generally add to the understandment of the situation.

Yes, the first description of what Taoism is is okay (even though that, as well, could be said IC), but the continuation of it was stuff that should be said In Character.

If someone wants to discuss Taoism or methods of using religion as a weapon, they can do it in the "while we wait" thread or off topic forums. The game thread should not be used for that amount of OOC. It exposes player's plans to those who otherwise would not have known, it takes the place of in-game diplomacy that should be going on anyways, and it clogs of the forum. So what if someone doesn't think Taoism in OTL can be used for war? Its if it is used in this game in the updates what matters.
 
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