stNNES7: Worlds and Empires

[Xen]

@Alex- you speak of the devil

@Isralite- Alex is right; Ravenna is coming your way, and potentially, very soon; but regardless of Ravennic influnece in the new world, thaty coudl very well come this turn, the first flowering civlization are getting on a roll in the amercias- will be interesting to what the Olmecs can muster (perhaps with Creol or Ravennic help, they can crush thos epesky Mayans )

regardless, the new world is going to be an exicting place in a turn or two.

 

[Cuivienen]

Because Haitian and Creole/Cajun culture would never have existed if not for French influence. The thing that makes Haiti, well, Haiti, and not Africa is the Frenchness of it. One of my best friends is Haitian, and believe me, she and her family are almost as French as they are African. Portuguese just wouldn't work.

So make them Portuguese Haitians. They have the same culture, they just happen to speak Portuguese Creole instead of French Creole. The Franks in this NES are much less like the RL French than the Portuguese in this NES are, anyway. You can't just plop down an RL nation in its RL location in an NES like this and say: French exiles that never existed in this NES because there never were any French founded our nation! It just doesn't work that way.

 

[Xen]

as a small aside, I must direct every ones attention to band that seldom gets the credit it diserves, the stone roses- I have linked to what is hopefully, thioe rpage for one of my favorite songs, a very laid back sort of song heavy on tripped blues riffs. very nice, very pschadelic

I give you fine ladies and gentlmen (or rather, Cuivienen, and you heathens ) the Stone Roses

http://www.thestoneroses.co.uk/videos/foolsgold_bb.asp

 

[Israelite9191]

That is why I changed it to French towns along the Ravenan border. They are heavily influenced by the Ravenan (aka sudo-Roman) culture and thus evolved to be like the real Provencal French. And I do have something planed for a future story involving Balearic and Portuguese pirates who assisted in the overthrow for various reasons. Believe me, any complication you throw at me, I can turn on its head.

 

[alex994]

That is why I changed it to French towns along the Ravenan border. They are heavily influenced by the Ravenan (aka sudo-Roman) culture and thus evolved to be like the real Provencal French. And I do have something planed for a future story involving Balearic and Portuguese pirates who assisted in the overthrow for various reasons. Believe me, any complication you throw at me, I can turn on its head.

One small tiny problem.

The Ravennian Army and Fleet is well known for... defending the adjacent territories of it's allies. Now, would renegade Baleric Pirates be stupid enough to sail to French towns bordering Ravenna knowing the danger of the Ravennian Fleet?

 

[Xen]

alternatlly, you coudl always just go with a realistic reason; they were a bunch of renegae portugese from near the french border lands; after thos eparticule rlands were ovverun by the French, the displaced Northern Portuges eboarded the same fleet fo shiups that woudl lead to new portugal; reachign this destination on the african coast, they soon came to blows with the current power system, and for what ever reason, chose to leave, takign thier slaves (which the new portugese colonists took, and are still takign great amounts of) and simply sailed off in a new exodus to new lands.

However, runnign intot he great difficulties of navigateing the atlantic in galleys they were swept intot he gulf stream to be despoted on the shores of haiti, thus establishing themselves a new, if barelly surviving nation of exiles and slaves.

 

[North King]

You presume a lot. If Ravenna does send expeditions to the New World, in all likelyhood they won't get through. Nor will the French. The Vikings might be... barely different, in that a colony might be established with a fledlinghold. No, the competition I'm talking about is a certain person who contacted me about playing a Native American nation.

 

[Israelite9191]

This particular pirate fleet was famous for being commanded by a complete mad man. This particulr mad man happened to get very lucky. He raided the towns on one of a few days that the French and Ravennans had simultaneous holidays during which all the soldiers and sailors were feasting and partying.

EDIT: May I ask, which native Americans? (plese, please, please not be Caribs or Arawaks!) BTW, what is the current date according to the regular calender?

 

[Xen]

You presume a lot. If Ravenna does send expeditions to the New World, in all likelyhood they won't get through. Nor will the French. The Vikings might be... barely different, in that a colony might be established with a fledlinghold. No, the competition I'm talking about is a certain person who contacted me about playing a Native American nation.

if the Haiwains can get thier through the treacherous Pacific Ocean (that leads to soem badass waves) then the ships of ravenna- being improved for better ability on the atlatnic this turn- should be able, even in galley form to get thier- the gulf steam is a natural facillitator of this, as IIRC, the Ra II expedition prooved in a ship far more primitive then those used by Ravenna.

 

[alex994]

This particular pirate fleet was famous for being commanded by a complete mad man. This particulr mad man happened to get very lucky. He raided the towns on one of a few days that the French and Ravennans had simultaneous holidays during which all the soldiers and sailors were feasting and partying.

......

Then wouldn't the Ravennians chase after them since they're very sensitve people who likes to see a good holiday without seeing their neighbors being kidnapped? The above is just what I would assume Ravennians are like.

EDIT: you can't ask what a player's going to join as! There's no point in waiting for the update then...

 

[Cuivienen]

This particular pirate fleet was famous for being commanded by a complete mad man. This particulr mad man happened to get very lucky. He raided the towns on one of a few days that the French and Ravennans had simultaneous holidays during which all the soldiers and sailors were feasting and partying.

EDIT: May I ask, which native Americans? (plese, please, please not be Caribs or Arawaks!) BTW, what is the current date according to the regular calender?

It's 1100 BCE. (Yeah, NESes tend to move quickly so as to skip over the boring parts of history. Players don't like being stuck in the Iron Age for too long and like going back in technology in the Middle Ages even less.)

 

[Israelite9191]

But the design of Hawai'in, and all Polynesian, ships have already proven their ability to sail the Pacific (which means peaceful BTW, called such becasue the Pacific is rather calm compared to the Atlantic) by simply reaching the Hawai'in islands in the first place!

 

[conehead234]

if the Haiwains can get thier through the treacherous Pacific Ocean (that leads to soem badass waves) then the ships of ravenna- being improved for better ability on the atlatnic this turn- should be able, even in galley form to get thier- the gulf steam is a natural facillitator of this, as IIRC, the Ra II expedition prooved in a ship far more primitive then those used by Ravenna.

Us Hawiaiians are know for our long distance outriggers, we have been sailing across the ocean for centuries, unlike Ravenna.

 

[alex994]

But the design of Hawai'in, and all Polynesian, ships have already proven their ability to sail the Pacific (which means peaceful BTW, called such becasue the Pacific is rather calm compared to the Atlantic) by simply reaching the Hawai'in islands in the first place!

It must be noted that Hawaii was reached by TONG Sailors, whose ships are superior as well as culture to any "Polynesians" like that of the Yue who had the audacity to attack the Righteous Kingdom of Shu.

 

[Cuivienen]

But the design of Hawai'in, and all Polynesian, ships have already proven their ability to sail the Pacific (which means peaceful BTW, called such becasue the Pacific is rather calm compared to the Atlantic) by simply reaching the Hawai'in islands in the first place!

Yes, "Pacific" means peaceful - because Magellan was woefully wrong.


(At this rate we'll pass 100 pages without an update!)

 

[Xen]

(which means peaceful BTW, called such becasue the Pacific is rather calm compared to the Atlantic)

I assure you, the Pacific is anything and everything except "peaceful"

Cali and hawaii are surfer heavens for a reason; and that reason is major waves compared to what we get in the atlantic.

 

[Israelite9191]

Alex- The Ravenans were to busy to notice, and by the time they did, the Balearic ships had already escaped past the Ravennan sphere of naval influence do to their superiority (remember, this is QUITE a while ago).

 

[Xen]

Us Hawiaiians are know for our long distance outriggers, we have been sailing across the ocean for centuries, unlike Ravenna.

Ravenna ships sail the seas of the world looking for poort sof call to sell thier goods- we have plenty of experience, as do all of the older nations in the NES (except mabey Syria and France) at sailing the seas.

 

[Israelite9191]

And yet, the Polynesian ships managed to get there at the same time that yours were scared to even go past Gibralter.

 

[alex994]

Alex- The Ravenans were to busy to notice, and by the time they did, the Balearic ships had already escaped past the Ravennan sphere of naval influence do to their superiority (remember, this is QUITE a while ago).

*shakes head* Have you ever tried to hit a bull on the back with a mallet and run away? Simply not done. And if the pirate fleet was so famous due to the mad pirate, wouldn't the ships be on the lookout for him?