Stonehenge - Lets decide this

[Earthling]

The fact that nobody has founded a religion or is on track to build the Oracle yet is really bad news regarding what other teams are doing, imo, so I don't think we're necessarily in the clear regarding "competition."

Also, we'd have to switch tech to Mysticism NOW for those who still hadn't realized, and I've been saying for a while, if we are to start after the workboat is done. It may be possible to delay overflow or something but I think we are a few hammers in the clear anyway if we have a turn after the workboat where we can't start on SH yet.

That said, if we've voted that way then we have a schedule and plan in place and ready so let's do it, and hope for the best that we'll have a grand monument to Q ingenuity sitting in Continuum in a little time.

Tech and Great People I'm not so sure I'm worried about either the Prophet or a religion, though if we do pick up a religion (seeing as no others have yet) that could be useful money and happiness wise. Anyway I do suspect the Colossus will be the other race that some other teams will have to fight/lose out on and I still think we're in the clear to go teching the other way, and try to find a good trade and diplo situation.

But Stonehenge is useful of course, and if that's the choice, I'll consider this a final decision at this point. Good luck to the Q

 

[RegentMan]

Well, a vote is a vote, and cannot be undone until a repoll.

If this were a private poll, I would agree, since anyone can say anything about a vote-change and we wouldn't have a way to check that (and I wouldn't want to bother a mod for such a silly issue).

However, we can see who voted for what, and since MrBanana posted earlier that he switched votes and has not posted since that this is untrue, the vote count should be considered 4-5.

For: Arakhor, cav scout, Provolution, TyBoy

Against: Bowsling, Earthling, galdarian, RegentMan, MrBanana

 

[cav scout]

RegentMan probably won't be able to hold off on the turn for more than another 10 hours...

So MrBanana, if you are wanting to change your vote back to going for Stonehenge now would be a good time!

 

[Provolution]

Well, we got good time for the next technology choice, mysticism, a full 3 turns.

 

[Earthling]

Ok, well we're definitely behind on teching mysticism now, sorry this wasn't decided sooner, as it seems another turn rolled over. I'm not trying to force this decision one way or the other but has our final count come down against Stonehenge then? Anyone who voted wrong in the poll or wanted to switch votes still around?

 

[Provolution]

The poll did not have a timer, so it was sort of misguided the way it was set up, and we had people moving back and forth. I will now set up a settlement poll, with a timer, and all votes in this one will be binding, as the rules for the poll will be made explicit in the first post, and neutrally worded (not a derisive header diminishing one of the two options).

 

[RegentMan]

1. The poll doesn't have a timer because we do not have a way of setting a limit that makes sense in game via turns. A three day poll timer might mean only one turn played, or it could mean six turns. If six turns get played in the three day poll, the circumstances of the game change, which makes the poll irrelevant in the first place. Whether or not a timer exists shouldn't devalue the outcome.

2. "People" is one person in this case, who might have snap voted and changed his mind. There was no back and forth, there was just one forth.

3. Both polls are worded neutrally. Both first posts are neutral. Both titles are neutral. We have had two neutral polls done on the subject.

4. I do not see your new perfect poll posted.

 

[cav scout]

Right now we are still 4-5 against Stonehenge. MrBanana has posted here in the forum since the last tally and didn't see fit to change his vote. So life goes on- we continue with BW instead of switching to Myst and build a 2nd workboat after the first one is finished... right?

 

[RegentMan]

That's how I'm interpreting it.

 

[Earthling]

I would like to sincerely say I appreciate the thoughts and work into planning our next moves from various members - and anyway I'm not going to interefere with any turnplayer or anything of course. I also of course hope that while it seems we're forgoing Stonehenge, that it does end up causing the other teams a bunch of trouble now that we don't have to care about. Regardless of what others are doing/teching/building though I think we have a lot to do coming up anyway, still have a lot of paths to tech/build though I like workboat #2 next, and could see picking up BW, then perhaps to AH, Pottery, or Writing; sailing at some convenient point would be nice too. Exploration should be interesting at the least, and of course we should be ready for first contact sometime down the line. I've got quite a few underhanded ideas I wouldn't mind trying on this one (essentially, screw somebody out of tech, preferably Mavericks or a team that won't be doing much interesting RP/we could catch overconfident just on straight "numbers diplo" )

 

[galdarian]

The poll did not have a timer, so it was sort of misguided the way it was set up, and we had people moving back and forth. I will now set up a settlement poll, with a timer, and all votes in this one will be binding, as the rules for the poll will be made explicit in the first post, and neutrally worded (not a derisive header diminishing one of the two options).

If you're suggesting that the poll I set up was biased would you please point out the specifics so as I can avoid it in future? This issue is clearly divisive and implicit suggestions are fragmenting the team.

I also don't think that it's a lost cause yet. Assuming no one else has already started it we have about 5-10 turns before other teams figure out that we haven't. In which case we need to get a wriggle on.

 

[cav scout]

I would be more than willing to switch to Myst right now. Are you switching your vote Galdarian?

 

[TyBoy]

We probably want to pick up myst fairly quickly anyway. Even if we don't build stonehenge we probably want to build monuments first or second after granaries in those first two new cities.

 

[MrBanana]

Do we have BW? I reconsider my vote if we do.

 

[galdarian]

We mostly have BW. If I recall correctly it's 2 turns or so. We switched to Myst to ensure we can get to Stonehenge.

 

[MrBanana]

We mostly have BW. If I recall correctly it's 2 turns or so. We switched to Myst to ensure we can get to Stonehenge.

My problem is that other then forest o chop, which everyone else has, we don't have very good production. Someone with stone, cow, or horse could easily out build us. Then we have a stack of failure cash, and that wont be enough to really affect the game.

We might as well see when wew gte BW.

 

[Earthling]

If anyone had stone I would be severely annoyed at the mapmakers; same with marble. Someone could outbuild us, true, but it looks like nobody is quite there yet - maybe one other team as competition in the demographics. However I still just don't find SH worth it as this point, but I agree, for those wanting to get it, there is a good chance we will so it's not just a complete waste. Cows or horses really probably don't matter, as few teams would have had time to tech animal husbandry and BW and Mysticism, and they are not really that broken in production (I mean, a cow is 2 on grass, really not much better than our wheat. It all depends on how quickly a team started still). Again, if someone has something like two copper mines in their BFC that's broken too - but looking at where teams are now and so on I think there is a good shot we get it. If you're still opposed though and like an expansion-oriented plan...that's what I favor too though.

 

[cav scout]

@MrBanana- We get BW this turn, before we will even start Stonehenge. And our production is solid compared to the other teams. So like Earthling says, we can totally win it.

Check out the turn discussion thread, there is a whole lot more info there.

 

[TyBoy]

I wouldn't totally disregard the value of a stack of cash. It's not optimal, but as soon as you build your second city you start converting that cash into research which can be pretty valuable if you haven't finished researching all those early techs that you need to build productive cities. In most games, you'd have a stack of cash from goody huts which would carry you through until you got the necessary techs, but in this game we'll definitely be cutting our research rate as soon as we found our second city, which will come before we finish all the early stuff we'd like to have.

I agree that it is unlikely that another civ has stone, though to be honest, I don't think it figures much into rushing stonehenge anyway. You have to research another tech that takes ~10 turns, then when that's done you have an improvement to build that takes 8 worker turns. Chopping 3 times takes half as many turns and contributes just as many hammers. Stone only comes into play if you pop masonry out of a goody hut very early or are building stonehenge pretty late, neither of which would be a problem.

 

[Earthling]

Yeah, I know we have two threads with discussion now, but it looks like the team decision is for Stonehenge. I agree that it's doable and our plan is solid, and I also agree it seems likely, given Demographics/whatever so far, that other teams may not be in heavy competition for Stonehenge, cause it looks like the other teams are doing something else. So here's to free monuments!