Suggestions and Requests

This might be an absolute stupid suggestion, I know nothing about civ coding so feel free to call me a buffoon - is it possible to make it so when the player switches civs, the new civ and the old swap slots so the player remains slot 0?
 
It's theoretically possible but it would really be putting the cart before the horse. The slot under player control changing is the common mechanism to do this (just like how hotseat works) - I just need to correctly deal with this side effect.
 
No, because if they take their turn after the player then that would mean they miss a turn.
 
Advanced start is only enabled upon new spawn of civs.
But if you start with a civ which have a spawn date prior to the scenario start date you will not get advanced start.
For instance starting as The Vikings in the 600 AD scenario will not give you any advanced start.
Could this be changed so that all civs in the 600 AD and 1700 AD get advanced start even if their spawn date is prior?
 
Yeah, I want to do that at some point. It's not a trivial change unfortunately, so it will have to wait a bit.
 
We should change germanys uhv where they can vassalize some of the territory they are supposed to conquer instead of directly controlling it. Vichy France and Italy for example.
 
One often-overlooked side effect of plagues is they halt / reset cottage/hamlet/village development.

I suggest the discovery of urban planning should halt this effect. Unsure of how difficult to implement as presumably the plague effect is legacy / Rhys code.
 
One often-overlooked side effect of plagues is they halt / reset cottage/hamlet/village development.

I suggest the discovery of urban planning should halt this effect. Unsure of how difficult to implement as presumably the plague effect is legacy / Rhys code.
One Rhye-era plague effect that has been removed from DoC is killing units with the plague. Disabling its impact on cottage growth should be doable.
 
What we thinking, new Pre-Columbian civ in Amazon?
We'd need a lot more information about them before I think we could justify adding them as a civ or even as an independent city (cities) in the Amazon. The jungle has more or less reclaimed everything they once built, and I'm not sure there's any way to restore the sites or rediscover their culture. It's still really cool, and definitely makes sense that the Amazon would give rise to its own river valley civilization, but I don't think it belongs in this mod.
 
Minor suggestion but America could start with secularism instead of toleration now that they begin with the tech for it?

Historically, the U.S. constitution was secular from the start and from a gameplay perspective, the player inevitably will just switch into it upon spawn anyway, so this saves him/her the trouble.
 
It seems to me that the Secularism civic corresponds to the concept of legal separation of church and state that started (in the West) with the Enlightenment (since it's the only religious civic that forbids a state religion), not "how religious is the culture of the country, either broadly or in the political sphere". If the latter is the case Secularism should be associated with a tech from the Global era and remains rare across the globe for the entire game.
 
But american society is not a secular one, isn't it?
Of course it's a secular society. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by the constitution since 1791. There's never been a state church except very early on in a handful of states, all disestablished by 1818. In fact this separation of church and state and freedom of religion is hypothesized to be the reason there's a high level of religiosity in the country, since there were no major religious conflict and religious diversity has always been fairly high. I agree with the above, the US civ should have Secularism from birth.
 
It really depends on how we're defining 'Tolerance' vs. 'Secularism'. My instinct was to say that 'Tolerance' implied a state religion / strong religious presence that nonetheless allowed for non-state religions to exist/spread, where 'Secularism' was more like 'No State Religion' / minimal religiosity where faiths exist but marginalized and out of power. Tolerance would includes countries like the UK (from Elizabethan Settlement to present day) or modern Indonesia (Muslim-majority population with constitutional monotheism, though other faiths are tolerated), where Secularism might include the 'state atheism' of the USSR, or the official secularism of modern France.

If that's the spectrum, I'd argue that modern America (and America at its founding) falls far closer to the idea of 'Tolerance' than 'Secularism'. Yes, First Amendment, yes, separation of church and state, but when America was founded, the First Amendment was to prevent the federal/national government from imposing a single state church on the entire country -- most of the 13 original states had some form of state church within their own borders. America is far more religious (by participation) than pretty much any country in modern Europe, and religion has consistently played a much larger role in public life and the national identity than most other places in the First World. That is certainly changing in present day -- church attendance has been dropping for decades and religious symbolism in public life is fading away (cf. Ten Commandments in courthouses) -- but that represents a new phenomenon, not how the country was from its founding.
 
I think questions on the religiosity of a culture are better determined by the presence of religions, temples, and cathedrals. The question of civics seems to be referring to the state’s/ruling apparatus and its relationship to religion.
 
I want to preface this with the disclaimer that I don't mean this post to be harsh. The tone can come across poorly because I'm frankly a little peeved that something like this could be controversial, but it's not meant as an attack on the previous poster in any way, shape, or form. I just feel this one reasonably wide-spread misunderstanding needs to be addressed head-on.

"Secularism" has a binary definition in Webster's dictionary: n. the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions.

This is literally (as in people can read it) enshrined in the first amendment to America's constitution. It requires a sideways reading of America to get to the conclusion that high levels of religiosity change the meaning of the English language.

Tolerance in an academic sense typically describes states like the Ottoman empire (the poster child) where the emperor was Caliph but other faiths were tolerated and even given a degree of self-government. The Netherlands would also count as embracing "tolerance," as would Prussia and France for intermittent periods of the 17th and 18th centuries. The Holy Roman Empire after the Peace of Westphalia might also count as "tolerant" since multiple faiths were considered equal although Austria was officially Catholic. In Qing China there was a similar "Eastern variant" of Ottoman or European "tolerance." (This was not true in other Asian states like Japan.) Tolerance means there's a state religion, but if you don't subscribe to it you won't be prosecuted.

It really depends on how we're defining 'Tolerance' vs. 'Secularism'. My instinct was to say that 'Tolerance' implied a state religion / strong religious presence that nonetheless allowed for non-state religions to exist/spread, where 'Secularism' was more like 'No State Religion' / minimal religiosity where faiths exist but marginalized and out of power. Tolerance would includes countries like the UK (from Elizabethan Settlement to present day) or modern Indonesia (Muslim-majority population with constitutional monotheism, though other faiths are tolerated), where Secularism might include the 'state atheism' of the USSR, or the official secularism of modern France.

If that's the spectrum, I'd argue that modern America (and America at its founding) falls far closer to the idea of 'Tolerance' than 'Secularism'. Yes, First Amendment, yes, separation of church and state, but when America was founded, the First Amendment was to prevent the federal/national government from imposing a single state church on the entire country -- most of the 13 original states had some form of state church within their own borders. America is far more religious (by participation) than pretty much any country in modern Europe, and religion has consistently played a much larger role in public life and the national identity than most other places in the First World. That is certainly changing in present day -- church attendance has been dropping for decades and religious symbolism in public life is fading away (cf. Ten Commandments in courthouses) -- but that represents a new phenomenon, not how the country was from its founding.
To address the specific misunderstanding of what secularism is outlines above I want to hit this post point-by-point.

America at its founding had no state religion, and even by one of the binary definition ("No State Religion") given, America would be secular. "Minimum" religiosity is not synonymous with "No State Religion." Religiosity is not a gov't policy. Some colonies did have official religions as colonies, but the America civ begins with the independence of the colonies, otherwise it would spawn ~1600. To use reductio ad absurdum, we don't spawn the Dutch with the civics that they embraced in 1360, so why would we rewind the clock on America?

As for the specific cases of the USSR, France (and Turkey; Atatürk deserves his due), Britain, and Indonesia see below:
USSR: state-sanctioned atheism as a requirement to hold public office is arguable closer to its own religion than secularism since it actually introduces a religious requirement as a condition of holding political office.
French Laïcité / Turkish Laiklik (Atatürk!): This is one brand of secularism, it isn't close to the most prominent globally. The French doesn't get to claim a monopoly on secularism anymore than Mormons can claim to be the only true Protestants. :P
Britain: This is the one very weird case where scholarly definitions break down. The Church of England is the official church of England---but only of England.
Indonesia: Modern Indonesia explicitly has no official state religion. Ipso facto the state-sanctioned faith cannot be considered "tolerant" of minority faiths since there is no state-sanctioned faith.

The people may be more or less tolerant or religious in a country but how people feel is not civil policy.

I've attached a map of where there is an official state religion. It's colored based on religion.

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