Suggestions and Requests

[Rafaelito]

What do you mean? You start with all your settlers inside your ships.

My bad, just now I realised that one of the initial settlers start inside the Waka haha

 

[Gen1_]

There is one leader that absolutely needs a revision.
I know he is in the game since Vanilla CIV, but a legendary Ragnar leader is not worthy of this accurate mod.
Moreover he is wearing a horn helmet, which is an absolute historical aberration.
I'll suggest to, at least, rework the character (as it had been done with Alexander or Catherine). But I'd rather see a more historical Viking early leader, such as Harald Bluetooth, Sven Forkbeard or Cnut the Great.

 

[trexeric]

There is one leader that absolutely needs a revision.
I know he is in the game since Vanilla CIV, but a legendary Ragnar leader is not worthy of this accurate mod.
Moreover he is wearing a horn helmet, which is an absolute historical aberration.
I'll suggest to, at least, rework the character (as it had been done with Alexander or Catherine). But I'd rather see a more historical Viking early leader, such as Harald Bluetooth, Sven Forkbeard or Cnut the Great.

I agree, this was something I forgot to include in my Norse thread.

My vote is Harald Fairhair if the capital is in Norway and Harald Bluetooth if the capital is in Denmark, if that would be possible. If not, I think Sven Forkbeard would be a good overall choice as a quintessential Viking leader.

 

[SultanRedSnake]

Rando Idea: Gold income from Obsolete Wonders. Subject to whatever details like Tech Requirement (e.g. Tourism), Age, Build Cost, Type etc. Idk I'm just working my hardest to throw more crap at Leoreth ya know.

 

[SultanRedSnake]

My vote is Harald Fairhair

I vote Hagar the Horrible.

 

[Tigranes]

CASE FOR MALARIA
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Malaria has deeply influenced human history, impacting demographics, migration, warfare, and genetic evolution by conferring resistance through traits like sickle-cell anemia. The disease spread with human populations, contributing to societal changes and the fall of civilizations, such as ancient Rome. Its effects on population health have also driven cultural adaptations and even influenced economic phenomena like the transatlantic slave trade.

The disease, then called "Roman fever," was so prevalent in marshy regions around Rome that it contributed to declining agricultural productivity and may have even played a role in the fall of the Roman Empire.
The disease traveled with human populations and trade, spread by soldiers and merchants, influencing settlement patterns and the development of human communities. The relative resistance of Africans to malaria compared to Europeans and indigenous populations increased the profitability of the transatlantic slave trade, significantly shaping the racial landscape of the Americas.

Malaria has been a significant factor in many wars, often causing more casualties than actual combat, affecting military campaigns and contributing to broader conflicts and population movements.

Many historical games represent malaria, for example Victoria. We have jungle unhealthiness (partially due to malaria, I would imagine), but I feel like it's a little boring and not enough. DoC can come up with some cool effect also. Perhaps the easiest would be to simply deduct -10% health from any unit in Jungle tile adjacent to Marsh. Units cannot travel on Marsh tiles and we want to exclude cold region marshes.

 

[trexeric]

Rando Idea: Gold income from Obsolete Wonders. Subject to whatever details like Tech Requirement (e.g. Tourism), Age, Build Cost, Type etc. Idk I'm just working my hardest to throw more crap at Leoreth ya know.

I'd love a UN resolution related to UNESCO that bumps up the culture output and maybe tourism-related income generation from obsolete wonders.

 

[Hickman888]

CASE FOR MALARIA
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Malaria has deeply influenced human history, impacting demographics, migration, warfare, and genetic evolution by conferring resistance through traits like sickle-cell anemia. The disease spread with human populations, contributing to societal changes and the fall of civilizations, such as ancient Rome. Its effects on population health have also driven cultural adaptations and even influenced economic phenomena like the transatlantic slave trade.

The disease, then called "Roman fever," was so prevalent in marshy regions around Rome that it contributed to declining agricultural productivity and may have even played a role in the fall of the Roman Empire.
The disease traveled with human populations and trade, spread by soldiers and merchants, influencing settlement patterns and the development of human communities. The relative resistance of Africans to malaria compared to Europeans and indigenous populations increased the profitability of the transatlantic slave trade, significantly shaping the racial landscape of the Americas.

Malaria has been a significant factor in many wars, often causing more casualties than actual combat, affecting military campaigns and contributing to broader conflicts and population movements.

Many historical games represent malaria, for example Victoria. We have jungle unhealthiness (partially due to malaria, I would imagine), but I feel like it's a little boring and not enough. DoC can come up with some cool effect also. Perhaps the easiest would be to simply deduct -10% health from any unit in Jungle tile adjacent to Marsh. Units cannot travel on Marsh tiles and we want to exclude cold region marshes.

Checking the Civilpedia, it looks like Marshes give 0.4 to the nearby city, and they can already only be entered by Civilian units. Maybe there's an argument that the penalty can be increased a little. We also do have the Plague in the mod already, and as for the military penalty... My main concern would be how the AI handles it.

 

[Rafaelito]

Currently, Epic and Marathon speeds are broken for The Polynesians, even at easier difficulties.

I've found a strategy to beat the game on paragon/normal that doesn't work when playing on Epic or Marathon on Monarch.

Reason being the cities won't expand their cultural borders to the next available tile, instead, they skip the first 2 rings and go straight to the island located on the third ring.

Sometimes, they don't even expand at all, sort of a bug.

On this run, I was playing Monarch/Epic, superb start and even managed to research literature and slided 100% to culture. Even with this godtier campaign I wasn't able to beat the first UHV, could only settle by 832AD

Check Averia (the city that gives access to New Zealand) which was settled around 100AD heavily focused on culture since the first turn and still far from giving me access to NZ.

 

[Leoreth]

Reason being the cities won't expand their cultural borders to the next available tile, instead, they skip the first 2 rings and go straight to the island located on the third ring.

Can you tell me more how to reproduce this bug? Does it show up when settling Avarua and gradually adding more culture? Or is another city more representative? And this is on Epic speed, correct?

 

[Rafaelito]

Can you tell me more how to reproduce this bug? Does it show up when settling Avarua and gradually adding more culture? Or is another city more representative? And this is on Epic speed, correct?

So I just finished 2 campaigns, one at Monarch/Normal and another at Monarch/Marathon for comparison, using this strategy here.

My run on normal speed went as expected, I was able to settle all islands by 710 AD and halfway to Moai Statues. Here on the screenshots, we can see that the cities are expanding organically, taking all nearby tiles first.

By turn 162 I had already settled on the 2 eastern islands, halfway to Calendar

By turn 206 360AD Avarua is almost granting me access to NZ

And finally, turn 241 - 710 AD I had already settled everywhere, only using a great artist at the far north island.

Now, on Marathon run though, I saw the same issue that I experienced while playing on Epic, only that this time my run was so strong that I managed to beat it anyway.

Here we see Aloifi completely ignoring the first ring and going all the way to the island tile, greatly delaying my expansion.

Note that here I'm also halfway to Calendar and barely started the ocean tiles

The same problem again on different cities, this time Mahuria going to the island and ignoring the ocean tiles, delaying my expansion. Obs: See that Avarua has not even started expanding by 516 AD.

+14 culture per turn and yet just one tile acquired so far, 560 AD

Same problem on Rikitea

Finally got access to NZ, by 884 AD with over 1400 culture produced

Also this campaign was really strong with lucky events popping out, great trading deals with other civs and even spare techs were gift. Went about 100 turns with 100% slide on culture, which is not supposed to occur when playing as Polynesia.

 

[Leoreth]

Okay that makes it clear, thank you for the detailed explanation.

 

[SultanRedSnake]

This was brought up during my look at Corporations, but goes as far back as figuring out Economic stability factors: ambiguity exists in various sources of game info regarding the concept of Commerce. In particular, several instances of Commerce refer only to Income, namely Free Enterprise and WTC. The pedia entry for Economic Stability refers to Commerce where it should refer to GNP (I undertook an exhaustive investigation to confirm that GNP is indeed the variable considered). If I may suggest that a best solution would involve incorporating icons commerce: etc) where appropriate/possible. Example for Free Enterprise and WTC: change "50% Corporation Commerce" to "50% from Corporations". To my knowledge it is possible to represent Icons with XML for Pedia purposes.

Note on Economic Stability info: this may seem trivial since it involves a only single word, but for much of my DoC career I'd erroneously used the Total Commerce entry in the Interior Advisor to track/estimate Economic growth. I would presume that many if not most fellow players have and may continue to do likewise to their own detriment and confusion. For those reading: Yes, GNP is used to track your Economic stability: GNP

 

[Leoreth]

Commerce types is what the game calls what commerce breaks down into: gold, science, culture, espionage. So +50% commerce means it affects all of these types. For example Free Enterprise affects gold, science and culture from corporations.

 

[SultanRedSnake]

Commerce types is what the game calls what commerce breaks down into: gold, science, culture, espionage. So +50% commerce means it affects all of these types. For example Free Enterprise affects gold, science and culture from corporations.

I see where I went wrong. Though this fact is well known it seems all my investigations either predated the appearance of Luxury and Computers or I'd just overlooked them. In this case, could I still recommend making this clear in the History section of the pedia? E.g. "The World Trade Center increases the commerce ( ) from Corporations in all cities? Or is it reasonable to assume that this is well known enough among DoC players to be gratuitous.

 

[ThreeBlackSevens]

I feel like getting to change civics for free on the first turn for civs that already exist in the 600 AD and 1700 AD scenarios would make sense

 

[Leoreth]

I see where I went wrong. Though this fact is well known it seems all my investigations either predated the appearance of Luxury and Computers or I'd just overlooked them. In this case, could I still recommend making this clear in the History section of the pedia? E.g. "The World Trade Center increases the commerce ( ) from Corporations in all cities? Or is it reasonable to assume that this is well known enough among DoC players to be gratuitous.

I would prefer not having to clarify this every time something has that kind of effect, considering that it occurs in multiple places.

 

[SultanRedSnake]

I feel like getting to change civics for free on the first turn for civs that already exist in the 600 AD and 1700 AD scenarios would make sense

I support this for the sake of the AI; since y'all know they're going to adopt a crippling Civic combo we can at least spare them the few turns of Anarchy.

 

[banzay13]

It seems to me. that additional food resources should appear in some regions so that the population in these places more or less corresponds to modern history. These resources should appear after, say, 1950. Then it won't have a significant impact on the game balance.
1. Edo in Nigeria. Rice or millet
2. Congo - also rice or bananas or millet, maybe even two sources
3. We miss Dhaka from 1.17 Rice instead of Swamp
4. Iran. Firstly, there is a lack of a port city - Persia sometimes establishes a city on the coast, but rarely. Perhaps an indie city on the coast should also appear before the birth of Iran. Secondly, there may be sheep near Persipolis.
5. Is Sana/Adan a fish?Sheep?
6. Australia - a lot of food. I consider all marine resources superfluous, and the same probably applies to New Zealand.

 

[Leoreth]

4. Iran. Firstly, there is a lack of a port city - Persia sometimes establishes a city on the coast, but rarely. Perhaps an indie city on the coast should also appear before the birth of Iran. Secondly, there may be sheep near Persipolis.

Should Iran have a port city? My understanding is that neither pre-Islamic Persia nor independent Iran were particularly maritime powers, especially not on the Indian Ocean (I think the situation in the Mediterranean was different where they could leverage the naval capabilities of their subjects).

6. Australia - a lot of food. I consider all marine resources superfluous, and the same probably applies to New Zealand.

Do you mean that there is currently too much food or that a lot of food should be added?