Suggestions for Dynamic Names

[Pavel Chichikov]

Yes, but if it's just for Arabia the country then it's only going to look correct just before they collapse.

Would it be possible for the Byzantines to not be called the Byzantines?

Since they themselves never referred to themselves as such, i was thinking an idea would be for them to be called the Eastern Roman Empire when the romans still exist (which already is the case), and simply the Roman Empire or New Roman Empire when the romans cease to exist?

I always open up the python file and change their adjectives to 'Greek' myself, though I doubt Leoreth would agree. Same for 'Vikings' to the more widely applicable 'Norse'.

 

[BenZL43]

I agreed on the Vikings. They should be called Norse and the adjective Nordic
After all, the dynamic name is Kingdom of Norway.. which sounds more Norse than Vikings

 

[Hippo8085]

I say most of the adjective switching is already hard enough for me to handle. If we're going to start getting that specific it would need to start being color-coded.

 

[Leoreth]

I always open up the python file and change their adjectives to 'Greek' myself, though I doubt Leoreth would agree. Same for 'Vikings' to the more widely applicable 'Norse'.

You're right. I think them sharing a name with another civ is unacceptable. And "Greek" is worse than "Roman" from a historical point of view.

Norse is worth a consideration though.

 

[BenZL43]

From Wikipedia :

The term Viking (from Old Norse víkingr) is customarily used to refer to the Norse explorers, warriors, merchants, and pirates who raided, traded, explored and settled in wide areas of Europe, Asia and the North Atlantic islands from the late 8th to the mid-11th century.

The name Norse is still suitable IMO even after the Viking "era" has ended and before Swedish "era" started.

Off course, there's a more historical more complicated solution, like this (purely joke) :

Spoiler :

After converting to a religion, adjective Viking become Norse. So they start as Viking, got religion = Norse, and end as Sweden

 

[Solzhenitsyn]

Top in the morning.
When playing Poland I realized after building three cities, no matter where they are, the country name goes from Kingdom of Poland to the Polish-Lithuanian... ehh, commonwealth. Praise to you for being so accurate, but even when the city is in the historically Polish place (Lwow), it still turns to that name. The name just stands out too much in early Europe when all the other countries are Kingdoms, and you're hundreds of years ahead in your name (The commonwealth didn't appear until around 1500).
So my humble suggestion instead calling it the Union of Krewo, unless you delve deeper into names according to city locations, in that case I think it should stay Kingdom of Poland until the player builds around actual Lithuania. If you do that, I still think it should be called one of the Union names, since Lithuanian culture did have a political impact on Poland regardless of the player's city building habits.

1385 – Union of Krewo — a personal union that brought Grand Duke of Lithuania Jogaila to Polish throne;
1401 – Union of Vilnius and Radom - strengthened the Polish-Lithuanian union;[2]
1413 – Union of Horodło - heraldic union, that granted many szlachta rights to Lithuanian nobility;
1432 (1432–34) – Union of Grodno a declarative attempt to renew closer union;
1499 – Union of Kraków and Vilnius personal union turns to dynastic union, recognises sovereignty of Lithuania and describes interaction between the two states;
1501 – Union of Mielnik - personal union renewed;
July 1, 1569 – Union of Lublin — a real union that resulted in creation of the semi-federal, semi-confederal Republic of the Two Nations (Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth); and
May 3, 1791 – Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791: the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were abolished, and a common state was created in their place. The changes were modified with the Reciprocal Guarantee of Two Nations that stressed the continuity of bi-national status of the state, and were reversed completely in 1792 under pressure of Russian Empire forces.

So in conclusion what I'm saying is, is that the Commonwealth name comes in too early and often without Lithuania even being settled in.

 

[Hippo8085]

First of all, the "Commonwealth" was a kingdom. The commonwealth aspect of the historical name refers to the union of the two countries and the fact that the king was "elected" by the 500,000 nobility members. I put elected in quotes as it was only by the semi-large nobility who was about 10% of the population.

What combination of Civics and Cities might you propose? Keep in mind that the AI almost never gets more than 3 cities.

 

[Solzhenitsyn]

First of all, the "Commonwealth" was a kingdom. The commonwealth aspect of the historical name refers to the union of the two countries and the fact that the king was "elected" by the 500,000 nobility members. I put elected in quotes as it was only by the semi-large nobility who was about 10% of the population.

What combination of Civics and Cities might you propose? Keep in mind that the AI almost never gets more than 3 cities.

You know what man, after lots of research I realized how close the Duchy of Lithuania was to Poland. On the map, it's only one or two tiles away from Krakau. I think 3 cities is sufficient for a name change, but I think it should be the Polish-Lithuanian Union. Then, after the reformation or a change in civics (I don't know the civics off the top of my head nor when Poland gets certain ones, so I don't have room to say) it could go to the Commonwealth.
However, making Lwow be an exception would be amazing, even though it's a lot of work for a rare case.

 

[Hippo8085]

Lithuania is always settled in.
Union is contradicting your first statement, in case you were wondering.

 

[Solzhenitsyn]

Lithuania is always settled in.
Union is contradicting your first statement, in case you were wondering.

I usually settle at Gdansk though, maybe that's just me.
It just is tricky to me, on one hand I want to be just a Kingdom of Poland like all the other kingdoms out there. On the other hand, my cultural border is going over Lithuania. On one hand, it's kind of like I conquered them, on the other hand, it's like they're letting me control them through assimilation.

 

[Leoreth]

Top in the morning.
When playing Poland I realized after building three cities, no matter where they are, the country name goes from Kingdom of Poland to the Polish-Lithuanian... ehh, commonwealth. Praise to you for being so accurate, but even when the city is in the historically Polish place (Lwow), it still turns to that name. The name just stands out too much in early Europe when all the other countries are Kingdoms, and you're hundreds of years ahead in your name (The commonwealth didn't appear until around 1500).
So my humble suggestion instead calling it the Union of Krewo, unless you delve deeper into names according to city locations, in that case I think it should stay Kingdom of Poland until the player builds around actual Lithuania. If you do that, I still think it should be called one of the Union names, since Lithuanian culture did have a political impact on Poland regardless of the player's city building habits.

So in conclusion what I'm saying is, is that the Commonwealth name comes in too early and often without Lithuania even being settled in.

As already said, even if Poland doesn't settle a Lithuanian city, it usually covers Lithuania with its culture. And most names are based on number of cities only - I can't check if the "necessary" areas are actually settled (so England can become Great Britain even without a city in Scotland and so on) because that would be too complicated and possibly cost some performance.

And the "Unions" you're referring to never were part of the state's official name. They refer to the name of the event of establishing the personal union, but not really the territories governed in personal union themselves.

Maybe if the Commonwealth name appears too early it should be limited to the Renaissance onward?

 

[Solzhenitsyn]

As already said, even if Poland doesn't settle a Lithuanian city, it usually covers Lithuania with its culture. And most names are based on number of cities only - I can't check if the "necessary" areas are actually settled (so England can become Great Britain even without a city in Scotland and so on) because that would be too complicated and possibly cost some performance.

And the "Unions" you're referring to never were part of the state's official name. They refer to the name of the event of establishing the personal union, but not really the territories governed in personal union themselves.

Maybe if the Commonwealth name appears too early it should be limited to the Renaissance onward?

Yeah, that's good! You can see as my posts kept updating I learned more about Polish history and the AI normality of Poland, I started to understand the naming. But limiting it to the Renaissance is a good idea.

 

[mykeedee]

I don't know if this is the right thread for this or not but what are the conditions for England's dynamic name to change to "British Empire"? is it time based? when I play it seems to happen randomly, without any civic changes.

 

[FlyingOnion]

I don't know if this is the right thread for this or not but what are the conditions for England's dynamic name to change to "British Empire"? is it time based? when I play it seems to happen randomly, without any civic changes.

I always thought it was dependant on the player running Dynasticism, along with owning a certain number of cities after a certain date

 

[Leoreth]

Iirc it's based on your number of cities, and you have to be in the Industrial era at least.

 

[mykeedee]

On that topic I think "Commonwealth of England" should be changed to "British Commonwealth of Nations"

 

[Leoreth]

It's not referring to the Commonwealth of Nations: Commonwealth of England.

 

[BenZL43]

I don't think the Moorish should start as Andalusian people..
Why not Moorish people?

 

[FlyingOnion]

Rather than 'Commonwealth of England' for a Republican England, how about just call then 'Republic of Great Britain'?

Going from 'Kingdom of Great Britain' to Commonwealth of England is historically going backwards anyways. And historicaly the Commonwealth of England was less a republic and more a military dictatorship under Cromwell and his son.

 

[Leoreth]

Republic and military dictatorship don't exclude each other