Swedishguy
Deity
^^
They're probably right. Think about it.
They're probably right. Think about it.
Suicide
- Thread starter Tee Kay
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Hence the subjectivity. We don't know if their intentions are good, even if we know their reasoning isn't as enlightened as a disinterested third party.
Swedishguy
Deity
Even if their intentions are good, they're probably a burden for society and nature.
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
One word: Bushido.
civverguy
Emperor
Well in Japanese culture people think of suicide differently AFAIK.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Suicide is never justified....
Sacrificing yourself to save others can at times constitute justifiable suicide.
The only other thing that I am unsure about is if this kind of behavior can be justified:
It is obviously a selfless act of political protest, but that doesn't quite qualify as justification.
The only other thing that I am unsure about is if this kind of behavior can be justified:
It is obviously a selfless act of political protest, but that doesn't quite qualify as justification.
boarder
King
Well if I was paralysed from the neck down or was a vegetable that couldnt do anything for myself then yes I would rather kill myself then live like that.
boarder
King
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
I can't think of a reason for one to commit suicide; sacrificing oneself for the benefit of others isn't really taking one's own life, it's risking it to preserve the lives of others. If it means death, then that's how it ends, but it's very different from suicide, I think.
There must be more effective ways of protesting which will have more of an effect on policy.
There must be more effective ways of protesting which will have more of an effect on policy.
The natural generalization of that is to say that a person should kill them selves if they are more of a burden than a benefit to other people. A benefit can simply be the love that an old person brings.
boarder
King
Maybe, but for me personally I just would not want to live like that, I don't call it living but simply existing, if that...
Thats just me though as I fully, support others whom are happy living like that.
Just a personal thing I guess.
It can be though. Imagine if there are two people trapped in a cave, and there is only enough air for one person to survive long enough to dig them selves out. One person, the cripple who can't help dig out anyway, kills himself to save the other.
The example isn't perfect because there are too many unknowns to justify certainty of "there is only enough air for one person", but I feel it makes the point.
Political demands were made, and went unanswered. If there was a better method of protest, I would not know what it would be. Not saying I would advise him to do what he did either, though.
So if life sucks, you should kill yourself? I mean simply existing is better than the Holocaust. It's better than depression. It's better than a lot of things.
If you explain why "simply existing" is a special case, I may agree with you.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Okay, fair enough. I'm not sure where a realistic situation like this could come in, but yes, in such a situation, I think suicide is preferable to both dying or one killing the other.
No, but once you light the match, you can't protest anymore or try any harder to get your demands met. You can't make life better for anyone else if your demands aren't going to be met. It might be a last-ditch spectacular protest, but it might not be time for last-ditch yet.
boarder
King
No life is always going to suck for you at certain stages, thats part of life, whereas if I was paralysed from the neck down or a vegetable then there would be no hope at all for a return to normal life and to me being like that simply isnt being alive I would rather be dead.
To me, to use your example, being in the holocaust is much more then existing, maybe I didn't simplify my definition of "simply exisiting" as I see it as much less then you, we have different definitions of what simply exisitng means I think.
If I had a terminal illness, I think I'd like to go out on my terms, with time to warn my friends and family and say goodbye to those I care about.
I tried to kill myself when I was really really depressed once. I'm very glad that failed. I thought my family would be better off without me, but that was just my attempt to justify being a selfish *******. I do not, and will not, listen to that reasoning. The world would be better off if you sought treatment.
I tried to kill myself when I was really really depressed once. I'm very glad that failed. I thought my family would be better off without me, but that was just my attempt to justify being a selfish *******. I do not, and will not, listen to that reasoning. The world would be better off if you sought treatment.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
Suicide is dumb.
I would say that suicide would be acceptable if you are terminally ill and certain of dying, but then again you're basically dead anyway.
I would say that suicide would be acceptable if you are terminally ill and certain of dying, but then again you're basically dead anyway.
Chunes
Chieftain
I would probably commit suicide if I had a long prison sentence coming my way. For example, If I committed a heinous crime, I would not let the police take me alive. Any prison sentence more than about 10 years long would warrant suicide IMO, because death is preferable to having my freedom stripped away for that long.
