Suing for the Slave Trade!!!!!!!
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knowltok2
Deity
We thank you for your submission
)) but at this time we are unable to use it.While your suggestion would normally bear merrit for its creativity, it sadly cannot be used. It has been found that using dissidents as ammunition tends to foul the works, and the guns require increased maintanence. They can fulfill their limited utility best by being targets for said guns. Not to mention, the aerodynamics aspect of malcontents makes them ill-suited to percision bombardment. If there were some way to deliver these miscreants on target in a reliable manner using the guns, your suggestion would be further explored.
Shaitan
der Besucher
The main problem with reparations is that they are founded on the premise that because of slavery the defendants of slaves have been harmed. This is exactly wrong. Slavery and colonialism were both horrendous acts/institutions and they harmed the slaves/natives that were affected. Nobody argues that this is not true. It is better to be a free bushman than to be a slave in the US.
The reparations logic breaks down soon after that. Is it better to be the decendant of that bushman or the decendant of that slave? Who has a better general quality of life - the average citizen of an African nation or the average African American? Who lives longer, gets more education, and has better oportunities for a good life? For all of these things, an American decendant of slaves is far better off than a native African.
So yes, slavery was evil and dispicable. And no, reparations are not in order in any legal, moral or logical sense.
The reparations logic breaks down soon after that. Is it better to be the decendant of that bushman or the decendant of that slave? Who has a better general quality of life - the average citizen of an African nation or the average African American? Who lives longer, gets more education, and has better oportunities for a good life? For all of these things, an American decendant of slaves is far better off than a native African.
So yes, slavery was evil and dispicable. And no, reparations are not in order in any legal, moral or logical sense.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
But it's a lot better to be in the U.S. today rather than Nigeria.
Shaitan
der Besucher
Yup. That's the point of my post. Slavery was bad but the decendants of slaves are better off than their disparate kin.
Lawyers, drugs, and money. Basically what this comes down to.
Lawyers- They want 1/3 of any settlement so they push the concept culpability with the only resolution being money. They conveniently forget, in American poor people are generally fat, in Africa they starve. Opportunity is available and capital can be easily arranged if the right idea and cleverness are employed. In Africa you're lucky if you don't become a child soldier by the age of 13, and have your whole life determined by thugs and warlords. In America you have a choice of becoming so... hehe
Drugs- Illegal drugs are a major reason for the deplorable situation of inner city black youth and black culture in general. The lure of easy money by becoming involved in the drug trade is a powerful condemnation for studying and working hard. Welfare propagates, and further enhances this belief that real work is for suckers. And in a world where social values and reputations revolve around drugs and welfare, we also have 70% of all black child being born out of wedlock. Instead of reparations people should be fighting to make drugs legal, and getting rid of welfare (forcing people to work). Throwing more free money at these problems and people, will not solve anything. In fact this concept is at the root of much desperate disparity now.
Money- The people in the fight for reparations, are soulless self-appointed demigods. They are generally Lawyers (see above) and Welfare pimps. Welfare Pimps are people that fight for welfare and then dole out the funds to their community. They hope their people will never grow beyond the means of holding out their hands because they would then be out of well paying job. The Jesse Jackson's, and Al Sharpton's of the world are the slave owners of ideology. Disagreement with them leads to the racism bullwhip and the splitting of the back of their opponents. They are of course in favor of such reparations because it's good for business.
American cannot forget or correct it's past by paying off extortion. People must come to terms with and understand our history, but to take the burden and guilt of these things, which we had no part of, is idiotic and morally indefensible.
Finally if Jesse Jackson wants to go back to his Africa land I'm sure I can round up some donations to send him on his way.
Lawyers- They want 1/3 of any settlement so they push the concept culpability with the only resolution being money. They conveniently forget, in American poor people are generally fat, in Africa they starve. Opportunity is available and capital can be easily arranged if the right idea and cleverness are employed. In Africa you're lucky if you don't become a child soldier by the age of 13, and have your whole life determined by thugs and warlords. In America you have a choice of becoming so... hehe
Drugs- Illegal drugs are a major reason for the deplorable situation of inner city black youth and black culture in general. The lure of easy money by becoming involved in the drug trade is a powerful condemnation for studying and working hard. Welfare propagates, and further enhances this belief that real work is for suckers. And in a world where social values and reputations revolve around drugs and welfare, we also have 70% of all black child being born out of wedlock. Instead of reparations people should be fighting to make drugs legal, and getting rid of welfare (forcing people to work). Throwing more free money at these problems and people, will not solve anything. In fact this concept is at the root of much desperate disparity now.
Money- The people in the fight for reparations, are soulless self-appointed demigods. They are generally Lawyers (see above) and Welfare pimps. Welfare Pimps are people that fight for welfare and then dole out the funds to their community. They hope their people will never grow beyond the means of holding out their hands because they would then be out of well paying job. The Jesse Jackson's, and Al Sharpton's of the world are the slave owners of ideology. Disagreement with them leads to the racism bullwhip and the splitting of the back of their opponents. They are of course in favor of such reparations because it's good for business.
American cannot forget or correct it's past by paying off extortion. People must come to terms with and understand our history, but to take the burden and guilt of these things, which we had no part of, is idiotic and morally indefensible.
Finally if Jesse Jackson wants to go back to his Africa land I'm sure I can round up some donations to send him on his way.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I say, if Jackson wants to go to Africa, just hitch a ride with Louie Farrakahn. Since him and Mugabe and Qadaffi are such close buddies, I'm sure they'll let Jackson in.
omichyron
Highly-Pixelated Globe
Well, if a giant scandal was uncovered whereby the government had somehow killed or injured a bunch of inoccent people a long time back through some intentional means (say, gattling gun testing :skull: 
) I think the decendents of those people would sue. They would probably even win something for their efforts. I think America is ridiculous for the number of lawsuits about stupid things it permits, but this one is as reasonable as any of the stupider ones.
) I think the decendents of those people would sue. They would probably even win something for their efforts. I think America is ridiculous for the number of lawsuits about stupid things it permits, but this one is as reasonable as any of the stupider ones.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Most lawsuits are credible, but it's like Kissinger on politics. It's 10 percent that makes a stereotype for the other 90.
Originally posted by omichyron
Well, if a giant scandal was uncovered whereby the government had somehow killed or injured a bunch of inoccent people a long time back through some intentional means (say, gattling gun testing) I think the decendents of those people would sue. They would probably even win something for their efforts. I think America is ridiculous for the number of lawsuits about stupid things it permits, but this one is as reasonable as any of the stupider ones.
umm, the Native Americans (Indians)?
It comes down to in the end, one nation or people having more power than the other and then having the others eliminated or subjugated. It has happen time and time again and it continues to this day. And this in no way defends nor supports American's past in regards to the disenfranchised. But I'm here today, born in 1972, and I want to move forward and expect the rest of us to follow suit, and to fight against unjustice that now confronts us, not in the ones in the past.
~Matthew
omichyron
Highly-Pixelated Globe
I believe the Native Americans have actually won a series of lawsuits against the government, so there you go. That will do as an example....
omichyron
Highly-Pixelated Globe
If 10 percent of all automobiles were prone to spontanious detonation, would you drive? Would you even go near a road? Even 10 percent of all lawsuits being ridiculous is too much. Even 5 percent is too much. 1 percent is questionable. I'm sure you just invented that number on the spot, but my point is that regardless of how many normal lawsuits there are, there are simply too many stupid ones out there.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I was just going to post this statement. This is exactly correct. Now these folk may have a case for reparations. Hmm...I wonder if I'm entitled. Grandma Olan was a Chikasaw squaw...
Should I sue?
If you do, I'm suing NY for the treatment of German's during WW2 when one half of my family was faced with taunts and discriminations because they were German. I mean my Dad when he was six in an elementary school wanted to tell of the brave heroics of his Uncle in the German Airforce but due to the prevailing attitude of Jews in NY city he felt he should not speak of it... maybe I can get a bit of that Volkswagen settlement awhile ago...Originally posted by Shaitan
I was just going to post this statement. This is exactly correct. Now these folk may have a case for reparations. Hmm...I wonder if I'm entitled. Grandma Olan was a Chikasaw squaw...
Should I sue?
~Matthew
PS my father and myself served in the US military if that means anything... I guess that fact alone would get our case thrown out.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I didn't mean the figures themselves, I meant the point behind it. The few extreme cases make all lawsuits seem illegitimate.
The ANZAC
Prince
I think there are 2 reasons which kill the reparations arguement completely:
The ex post facto clause- in the US constitution doing something legally before it becomes illegal does not make you guilty of the crime committed before hand
No International Human Rights Tribunal: there were no laws governing international human rights until 1922. So slavery at the time broke no domestic or international laws while still legal.
Besides the fact that it's been 6 generations since the freeing of the slaves and that blacks in the US are among the richest and in the best living conditions in the world.
The ex post facto clause- in the US constitution doing something legally before it becomes illegal does not make you guilty of the crime committed before hand
No International Human Rights Tribunal: there were no laws governing international human rights until 1922. So slavery at the time broke no domestic or international laws while still legal.
Besides the fact that it's been 6 generations since the freeing of the slaves and that blacks in the US are among the richest and in the best living conditions in the world.
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