Thats makes sense. It has to be a surprise. I think it depends on the Into the Renaissance scenario, and when it begins. The last civ must be based on that since it is the central theme of the entire expansion.
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Thats makes sense. It has to be a surprise. I think it depends on the Into the Renaissance scenario, and when it begins. The last civ must be based on that since it is the central theme of the entire expansion.
Louis XXIV
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Yeah, all that's possible (although I think Marrakech will be mercantile). I don't expect Venice, but the only other possible thing to include is Sicily, which strikes me as less likely. Sweden is the most likely. It's also quite probable that they feel they added enough.
bonafide11
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Considering the already excessive amount of European civs, I would be shocked and very disappointed if they chose to include yet another one like Sweden.
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Kathigitarkh
If the scenario is based upon Here I Stand, then Sweden could very well represent the Protestants of the game, but the Thirty Years War might not be the focus - it could still be at the end of the scenario, if it begins at the Crusades, covers the Reformation, and ends at the Counter-Reformation. I very much doubt the Papal States (the other faction not represented in CiV which is in the board game) would be included though. Other than that, I don't think the last civ would be related to the Into the Renaissance scenario, and likely then a non-European power.
I love the idea of Sweden and Gustavus Adolphus. He made the tercio formation much more maneuverable and flexible. His Swedish brigades and squadrons were much smaller, led by well trained officers. These squadrons had 216 pikes and 192 muskets, while the standard tercio commanded by Tilly was still at 1,500 men. This would be comparable to a Roman legion vs a Greek phalanx. Tilly was at a serious disadvantage at the Battle of Breitenfield. Gustavus Adolphus's artillery was superior to the Imperial amrmy's, because his guns were more numerous, and his rate of fire was 3 to 1. I just happen to have the book next to me called, The Age of Battles by Russell F.Weigley.
If it is Sweden i hope they give them a cannon UU. That would be an original idea.
Louis XXIV
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Yeah, I would absolutely give them a "Light Cannon" UU. The Finnish posters want a certain type of Finnish Cavalry that fought for Sweden. There might suddenly be a glut of renaissance cavalry, though, so I'd wait and see there.
Not exactly . Since 3 of the 8 Civilizations are from Europe,I doubt the 9th Civ will be from Europe as well . And the Medieval Scenario starts between 1000-1100 .
Ok, thats what I was wondering. Then why not the Moors or the Almoravids? They would be a new civ not used before and would fit the times, and the scenario. They would be needed vs. Spain on a TSL map.
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There will be no Moors because Marakesh, their capital, is a confirmed city-state.
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Kathigitarkh
Even if the scenario started then, it would still go through the Reformation, in order to qualify as "Into the Renaissance." By that its not unreasonable to assume that it would be Sweden. Austria was added for the scenario, and Austria played a far more significant role in the 1500-1600s than then, so the starting date doesn't necessarily preclude Sweden.
Kimuyama
Prince
thogh, of course, between 1300 and 1500 the whole of scandinavia was in the Kalmar Union, and effectively under Danish control, so I'd say Swedens chance of inclusion is dependent on wether the scenario starts between those dates, or before.
Kimuyama
Prince
Then again, Denmark isn't in the expansion, so they'd still need a civ to base Kalmar on
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Yeah, even Kalmar would be Sweden not Denmark.
They could release Denmark on this expansion,but restricting them to Medieval scenario,just like in the same situation of Mongols .
Kimuyama
Prince
But mongols got released to everyone thrugh a patch, so they're technically in vanilla, and not a dlc.
Or they could be seen as a sort of dlc daywalker.
Or they could be seen as a sort of dlc daywalker.
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Kathigitarkh
True, but I think the scenario is influenced by Here I Stand, the boardgame that Ed Beach designed about the religious warfare leading into the Renaissance, which begins after the Kalmar Union's dissolution. I know that the scenario is supposed to include the Crusades, but as its also supposed to include the Reformation, it would seem very strange if there was no representation of Scandanavia.
Combine that with the rumour of the final civ being snow-based, the chance of the Enlightenment Era as a new era, the higher importance of artillery but the lack of a unique cannon piece, and the lack of a civ which represents the changing focus of ideologies over religion, and Sweden, to me at least, seems to be a natural fit. Of course, I hold on to the hope that Sweden is included because it would become a personal favourite, so I may just be denying the natural fit of another civ. Maybe the Swedish Crusades will even feature...
Louis XXIV
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Why would they do that for Denmark but not for Spain, which they also needed just for the scenario but decided to include in the game as a whole.
Now I don't think we need Sweden for the scenario. It's relatively easy to cut off the map before you go that far north. I'm just saying that they're more likely to add Sweden than to include Denmark just for the scenario.
CTH
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I hope and think it is going to be sweden, I have been quite sure that sweden would be added as a civ eventually, even since the denmark (viking) DLC came out and did not include any part of sweden. They could easily have made them a complete viking civ and included sweden there also.
A canon UU would be great, currently no unique cannons and it could have the ability to fire without need to set up. I am not sure about the finish cavalry though, I like them but because they would be not only the same era but in the same army led by the same king it feels a bit narrow... although I am not sure what other UU that would not be in that era that would fit (Caroleans would be a pretty good choice for UU also but they would be muskeers or riflemen and there is already too many similar UU). Perhaps a UB would be better.
A canon UU would be great, currently no unique cannons and it could have the ability to fire without need to set up. I am not sure about the finish cavalry though, I like them but because they would be not only the same era but in the same army led by the same king it feels a bit narrow... although I am not sure what other UU that would not be in that era that would fit (Caroleans would be a pretty good choice for UU also but they would be muskeers or riflemen and there is already too many similar UU). Perhaps a UB would be better.
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