Superpower Vs regional power

[Ahovking]

I Read this recently

"Greece is certainly a small player on the world stage, but the same can't be said about Turkey. Turkey is an influential player on the world stage and is considered as a regional power. In the end i gues it all comes to definitions, what is a superpower? In my opnion the US is certainly not a superpower, it is only a regional power. USA can't interfere in Chinas, Turkeys or Indias domestic policies. So in perspective is USA only a regional power."

and i thought that it was a very good point it seem now day the USA is having trouble solve even the smallest problems let alone its own debt problem. It ranks up the top 5 and it some case's the top 10 in highest human development index, national performance, such as quality of life, health, education, economic freedom, and the protection of civil liberties and political rights.Can we even consider the USA a superpower any more

 

[Ramius75]

I think if USA wants to, she can make life difficult for Turkey, India and China...
and if China, Turkey and India want to, USA can make life difficult for them...

so thats a superpower. for the moment...

 

[Patroklos]

If Turkey what you consider a regional power (and I do as well), there is really no other way to categorize the US other than a super power.

 

[Winner]

and i thought that it was a very good point it seem now day the USA is having trouble solve even the smallest problems let alone its own debt problem. It ranks up the top 5 and it some case's the top 10 in highest human development index, national performance, such as quality of life, health, education, economic freedom, and the protection of civil liberties and political rights.Can we even consider the USA a superpower any more

"Superpower" is a Cold War term for the two principal great powers of the era. Generally, it is a very strong country/bloc that has a global reach, that influences in a profound way global politics, economy, etc. In other words, someone whose opinion really matters to what you want to do, an arbiter (as guys like Saddam learned the hard way, the US opinion does matter).

The US hard power (=military) is currently unmatched, nobody comes even close to the kind of capability they have. Economically things are more level now then they were decades ago, due to the European integration and the rise of Asia.

Regional power is simply a country that is very important on a regional level. It says nothing about its size - I'd call Israel a regional power in the Middle East, even though it's tiny even in comparison to some of its neighbours. Russia is a regional power in an area roughly equivalent to the former USSR, it still has a great deal of influence over its ex-member states. Strangely, France is a regional power in parts of Africa. European Union can be seen as a sort of regional power in Europe and environs.

 

[Ramius75]

"Superpower" is a Cold War term for the two principal great powers of the era. Generally, it is a very strong country/bloc that has a global reach, that influences in a profound way global politics, economy, etc. In other words, someone whose opinion really matters to what you want to do (as guys like Saddam learned the hard way, the US opinion does matter).

The US hard power (=military) is currently unmatched, nobody comes even close to the kind of capability they have. Economically things are more level now then they were decades ago, due to the European integration and the rise of Asia.

Regional power is simply a country that is very important on a regional level. It says nothing about its size - I'd call Israel a regional power in the Middle East, even though it's tiny even in comparison to some of its neighbours.

Again, this is a show of USA superpower.... if USA never backs Israel...funding or military aids...

i think we can stop thinking Israel as a regional power...

 

[Cutlass]

The US may not be able to call the shots for all the regional powers the way the neocons claim that we do. But we can prevent them from intervening in other nations if the issue comes up. So we are a global power. And in military and economic might, a superpower. China, for all its power locally and regionally, cannot exert power beyond that if the US acts to prevent it.

 

[Ahovking]

Again, this is a show of USA superpower.... if USA never backs Israel...funding or military aids...

i think we can stop thinking Israel as a regional power...

Your sadly underestimating Israel as a regional power. Israel has already proven itself as a regional power from the war of 1948 Arab–Israeli War, War of Attrition and the Six-Day War where Israel alone defected Egypt, Jordan and Syria together on 3 fronts and much more.

 

[Ramius75]

but Israel does not exhibits any soft power, cultural and economic influence over the middle east.

 

[Ahovking]

China, for all its power locally and regionally, cannot exert power beyond that if the US acts to prevent it.

China has never pushed out side its own bonders so to say the US could prevent china flexing its muscle it a false statement and a dangerous one. China is a sleeping dragon with the words largest military and the second and most fastest growing economy it could give the Us a run for its money, not only this but with the us lowing its military spending and china rising its military spending china is buying its time, its building a massive modern naval fleet and it doesn't need to flexing its muscle so why would it.

 

[SG-17]

I Read this recently

"Greece is certainly a small player on the world stage, but the same can't be said about Turkey. Turkey is an influential player on the world stage and is considered as a regional power. In the end i gues it all comes to definitions, what is a superpower? In my opnion the US is certainly not a superpower, it is only a regional power. USA can't interfere in Chinas, Turkeys or Indias domestic policies. So in perspective is USA only a regional power."

and i thought that it was a very good point it seem now day the USA is having trouble solve even the smallest problems let alone its own debt problem. It ranks up the top 5 and it some case's the top 10 in highest human development index, national performance, such as quality of life, health, education, economic freedom, and the protection of civil liberties and political rights.Can we even consider the USA a superpower any more

The United States military has an 'unlimited reach' and American culture is the most influential soft power in the world.

 

[Ahovking]

but Israel does not exhibits any soft power, cultural and economic influence over the middle east.

Why don't people get this. They don't have to, they won a war against the whole of the middle east (1948 Arab–Israeli War). If a small state defected a whole region you would clearly see that state as a "regional power"

 

[Patroklos]

China has tried often, and it doesn't work out for them. There is a reason you don't see them engaged on the global scale and its not because they don't have any interest in it.

There is no reason to call the Chinese navy "massive" or "advanced" relative to the US (not to mention its allies).

 

[Ahovking]

The United States military has an 'unlimited reach' and American culture is the most influential soft power in the world.

Vietnam, Gulf war, the middle eastern conflict Australia has been sending troop helping the us win wars and even start our own independent op's overseas even sometime on the other side of the plant. Does that mean Australia and great Britain has a unlimited reach because we send troop overseas as far as the US ....

 

[Ahovking]

China has tried often, and it doesn't work out for them. There is a reason you don't see them engaged on the global scale and its not because they don't have any interest in it.

There is no reason to call the Chinese navy "massive" or "advanced" relative to the US (not to mention its allies).

"China has tried often, and it doesn't work out for them" like when ?

 

[Patroklos]

Like invading Vietnam? How did that North Korea thing work out for them? Did they conquer Taiwan yet?

How about all that rancor in the South China Sea. If anything this one example should show just how impotent China is outside its borders. It has singlhandedly thrown Indonesia/The Phillipines/ Malaysia and Vietnam (!!!) back into the alligned interests of the US when there had been a genearl distancing for decades before or no relationship whatsoever. Hell, the Phillipines are ready to let us reopen our bases there because of it.

Now, in an economic sense China is acting internationally more successfully, especially in Africa. But that hardly matters because they can not secure any of that activity against even an entity like India.

 

[SG-17]

Vietnam, Gulf war, the middle eastern conflict Australia has been sending troop helping the us win wars and even start our own independent op's overseas even sometime on the other side of the plant. Does that mean Australia and great Britain has a unlimited reach because we send troop overseas as far as the US ....

No, because of SEATO, NATO, and ANZUS. They send troops in conjunction with the United States, which is an important distinction to make.

One could argue that Britain and the Commonwealth is a Global power but not a superpower.

 

[Ahovking]

Like invading Vietnam? How did that North Korea thing work out for them? Did they conquer Taiwan yet?

How about all that rancor in the South China Sea. If anything this one example should show just how impotent China is outside its borders. It has singlhandedly thrown Indonesia/The Phillipines/ Malaysia and Vietnam (!!!) back into the alligned interests of the US when there had been a genearl distancing for decades before or no relationship whatsoever. Hell, the Phillipines are ready to let us reopen our bases there because of it.

Now, in an economic sense China is acting internationally more successfully, especially in Africa. But that hardly matters because they can not secure any of that activity against even an entity like India.

sigh.....c'mon that North Korea thing the (at the time a modern) U.s couldn't even defect a newly formed army that came from a nation that was only years old its sad that the U.S could beat an out-dated china.

Indonesia,The Phillipines, Malaysia and Vietnam and hell even us Australia are hell scared of china they are buying up our ecomancy so much that we become dependent on them, undermining the Us without cause any short term conflict. The only reason why those nation are opining up to the us because of china and its growing power.

 

[Ahovking]

No, because of SEATO, NATO, and ANZUS. They send troops in conjunction with the United States, which is an important distinction to make.

One could argue that Britain and the Commonwealth is a Global power but not a superpower.

ANZUS of which in often Australia heads, NATO which is dominated by the EU (mostly by the UK, France) and SEATO Australia had become more than a significant player after the Royal Australian Air Force deployed CAC Sabre's of its No. 79 Squadron to Ubon Royal Thai Air Force Base and more.

 

[Cutlass]

China has never pushed out side its own bonders so to say the US could prevent china flexing its muscle it a false statement and a dangerous one. China is a sleeping dragon with the words largest military and the second and most fastest growing economy it could give the Us a run for its money, not only this but with the us lowing its military spending and china rising its military spending china is buying its time, its building a massive modern naval fleet and it doesn't need to flexing its muscle so why would it.

China has no navy to speak of and a not a Great Power level of air force. They can match us in neither, nor really challenge us at all. So that leaves only land warfare. Vietnam is too tough for them. India can handle itself defensively. Russia can absorb all that they could trow at them. Who's left near their borders to attack?

 

[Ahovking]

China has no navy to speak of and a not a Great Power level of air force. They can match us in neither, nor really challenge us at all. So that leaves only land warfare. Vietnam is too tough for them. India can handle itself defensively. Russia can absorb all that they could trow at them. Who's left near their borders to attack?

.......Um ok then what's the People's Liberation Army Navy that has 63 Submarines, 47 Frigates, 25 Destroyers and much more all post 1990 (in term this navy is modern) plus an increase in military spending to focus on build two more Aircraft carrier and something like another 20 Destroyers by 2018. and the People's Liberation Army Air Force which has a 1770 fighters and Attack, 249 Bombers and more.... they are a developing as we know from Vietnam you don't need to match the us and its allys to defect them (in terms of the us mission it was a failed mission).

Your underestimating china, your seeing china and thinking its the same china in 1970 than the 2010 china which will be your (U.S.A) greatest downfall. china has modernised and it has learnt from its past and it moving ahead very carefully.

oh btw i could say the same with the Us how did that worked out -sigh-