Taliban Warlords Oppress Afghan Women

[boann]

Report: Post-Taliban Warlords Oppress Afghan Women
Tue Dec 17, 6:51 AM ET


By Evelyn Leopold

Many Afghan women are still subject to the same abuse as under the ousted Taliban and in some regions, such as the west of the country, face increasing harassment, a human rights group said on Tuesday.


Many people outside the country believe that Afghan women and girls have had their rights restored," when the Taliban was removed from power a year ago, said Zama Coursen-Neff, co-author of the report, "We Want to Live as Humans."

Khan, the governor of Herat, who has received considerable U.S. financial and military assistance, was named as the most flagrant abuser, inventing a series of draconian measures.

Among them is a religious police and a "youth police" to haul women and girls to hospitals for gynecological examinations for the purpose of "chastity checks."



what century is it ?

and of course the US is giving aid to this Khan.
I'm so fed up with the flapping of government lips
and the nothing that comes out.

 

[cromagnon]

Actually, Boann, somthing does come out.

Very sad indeed, when we are saying "at least they're not being killed for 'suspected adultery.'"

 

[germanos]

I'm sorry to say but:

What did you expect?

 

[vonork]

anyone suprissed? Not me.

You can not expect a country to flip-flopp on their values over one night, if you leave the same(like) to lead the country.

 

[gr8ful wes]

Strange. Any news on the many Afghan women who have benefitted? Sounds pretty unfortunate. Also sounds like it isn't too common, but isolated.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Overall, afghan women are very much better off that they were under the Talivan, but have a long way to go to reach the western view of minimum dignity, respect, and rights.

 

[joespaniel]

I think a taste of freedom now might go further in the future.

Change is a process.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I echo the sentiment, at least there has been some change.

The many peoples of Afghanistan still love guns, violence, and have medieval ideas about women's rights.

But that is NO reason for the US to give them money!

 

[Becka]

You can't change a culture over night. If anybody expected anything else but slow change, they were very optimistic.

 

[joespaniel]

Realistic.

Two steps forward, one step back.

 

[Archbob]

And this is surprising because?

Unfortunately for women alot of the regular citizen males think its okay.

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

I am telling you that when we put our foot in one of these toilet bowls we need to put our foot down all the way and reach in with our head and hands too.

As long as we are toppling governments and replacing infrastructure we need to be in at ground level setting up schools, teaching the children of these countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan now, Iraq and Iran soon enough) how to behave like citizens of the New World Order and making sure that they have some opportunities to do something lucrative besides blowing themselve up.

Of course, we still have a lot of "old fashioned" thinking in the US vis a vis women's rights that needs to be corrected so we are able to put muscle into such efforts abroad.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
As long as we are toppling governments and replacing infrastructure we need to be in at ground level setting up schools, teaching the children of these countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan now, Iraq and Iran soon enough) how to behave like citizens of the New World Order

You are just kidding, right?

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Not really kidding, no.

I assume the US made sure that while we rebuilt Germany and Japan and Italy that they weren't teaching them to hate Americans or Jews or allowing communism or fascism to creep into the curriculum.

We need to take the same tack in our post-War on Terror conquests or we will end up in the same cycle. Not punitive culture destruction, like the Soviets tried in Afghanistan (which was what fueled the Mujahadin cause- the Soviets were forcibly unveiling women!), but positive material/moral/mental buildup. Get Western style schools in there and make it clear that the graduates of such schools are the ones who get to run the pipeline. Discredit the Mullahs not by merely arresting them but by giving their flocks something better to graze on.

 

[Panda]

True, but -

just how do you expect that to be paid?

Also, post-WWII axis countries were in strategically important geographic locations that could not be afforded to be left out of the US sphere of influence. The world situation isn't the same anymore, and Afganistan just isn't that important to neither the US or the EU, and cannot expect the same level of subsidies.

Even though a really big oil pipeline is planned to go through it.

But imagine if we (EU, US, or together) actually would implant Western values in Afghani schools - in two years, all the ultra-red lesbian ********s would run amok how 'cultural imperialism' is destroying the unique Afghani culture, and how the Taliban is really just a loving poem-circle.

 

[CurtSibling]

I agree with the Sultan.

We can't just pound them with thousands of tons of munitions, then walk away saying "Here's some US dollars...have a nice life!"

If the West and primarily the USA wants to really end the terrorism,
hate, stupidity and primitive practices of these people and their warlord clown tribe leaders,
we have to get in there and educate the people not to be reliant on this medieval system.

The people have to see the bonus of having a working central government and not a rioting bunch of khans.

And we must stop playing patty cake with these tinpot tribal morons.
This getting into bed with dictators is what got the West into this mess in the first instance.

It is time for the whole of Afghanistan to finally realise that their war-mongering history is over.

Same way as Germany in 1945 realised that rampant Prussianism was a disaster.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
I agree with the Sultan.

We can't just pound them with thousands of tons of munitions, then walk away saying "Here's some US dollars...have a nice life!"

If the West and primarily the USA wants to really end the terrorism,
hate, stupidity and primitive practices of these people and their warlord clown tribe leaders,
we have to get in there and educate the people not to be reliant on this medieval system.

I agree with both of you

Since the US / Allies went to war to remove the Taliban, the involvement shouldn't end as soon as CNN stops covering it. If they are serious about eliminating terrorism, then more work is needed to tackle the root cause(s) of the problem. Education goes a long way towards this. Setting up schools (and other infrastrusture) will let the locals feel like they are more involved in the world.

One other small point: This must be done with the Afganistanis, not for them. This ensures that they have a say in what happens, and do not feel that it is imperialism imposing ideas and beliefs on them.

 

[ApocalypseKurtz]

Hasn't this been going on for years? Sicne when is this news?

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Originally posted by Panda
True, but -

just how do you expect that to be paid?

Handling the schools takes effort and money. The effort part: that is what we have a Peace Corps for. Of course the Corps isn't usually allowed to deploy anywhere there could be real trouble, but maybe it is time to make them put their ass where their mind's at.

As for the money part, how 'bout... SAUDI ARABIA. If it isn't worth it to the US and EU governments to end terrorism (why?!), well the Saudis can always be counted on to build schools and hospitals for their Muslim brethren. As backers of the Taliban, they are just as culpable in Afghanistan as the US is. Of course, if they push a Western curriculum in Afghanistan, their own citizens might get jealous.

Also, post-WWII axis countries were in strategically important geographic locations that could not be afforded to be left out of the US sphere of influence. The world situation isn't the same anymore, and Afganistan just isn't that important to neither the US or the EU, and cannot expect the same level of subsidies.

Even though a really big oil pipeline is planned to go through it.

Much as some 20th and 19th century minds might think different, there is now no part of the globe that isn't "strategically important" to the interests of the US and EU. If we could slowly shift the money we spend on bombs to handle rogue states towards money for education and birth control for those states, eventually we might reach a point where we can leave off the bombing entirely.

But imagine if we (EU, US, or together) actually would implant Western values in Afghani schools - in two years, all the ultra-red lesbian ********s would run amok how 'cultural imperialism' is destroying the unique Afghani culture, and how the Taliban is really just a loving poem-circle.

There are a lot of ultra-red lesbian ********s who idealize or sympathize with the wrong groups, but not too many u-r lf's who would kill themselves to injure Americans... so all in all, I'd rather have peacenik liberal values spread than the right wing ideas of any nation.

 

[EdwardTking]

Afghanistan still free of petticoat tyranny, hurrah.

But it won't last I am sure. No doubt as we type,
Becka & Boann and a whole host of control mad
femi-nazis are preparing for an airbourne invasion
and will be stubbing cigarettes in the eyes of any
Afghan men who don't agree to have babies.