Tanelorn's Fleet

[Patine]

@Tanelorn

So, when are you creating the Global Naval War scenario?

 

[Tanelorn]

Me... actually finishing a scenario? Probably never, honestly.
I d'rather stick to drawing stuff I like.

Shershen &. P6 Bolshevik torpedo boats and another try at a Lutjens destroyer next

 

[Tanelorn]

The 14 US navy's Ohio class nuclear balistic missle submarines cary half of the states nuclear warhead arsenal at any time in 24 Trident IIs. Another 4 that originally carried Trident Is were modified post cold war to carry up to 154 Tomahawk cruise missles each. This is the USNs largest sub.

 

[Tanelorn]

Based on the German Type 143 Albatros missle boat class, the six 1977 Spanish built Lazaga class boats never got the missle armament they were intended to. They were restricted to being fast patrol boats and were decomissioned and scrapped after 1993 apart from two resold to Colombia that followed a similar fate between 2009-2011.

Argentina got 2 similar (gun only) Interpida class boats from Germany. They got upgraded with a pair of Exocets in 1995. They are still in service

The Malaysian (6 strong) Jerung class gunboats are similar gun only boats.

The four identical 1981-82 built Commandant al Khattabi got their full MM40 exocet armament and subsequent upgrades. They serve Morocco to this day.

 

[Patine]

@Tanelorn

Just for horsehockys and giggles (no real plans, but it could possibly have a place, hypothetically speaking, if Curt redid his American Kingdoms scenario or some such), do you think you could whip up the Florida/Louisiana police swamp fan boat I'd compared that Chinese gunboat as being similar to awhile back?

 

[Tanelorn]

@Patine Sure, why not?

The project 206 Shershen class: 87 were built by the Soviets starting in 1960. Exports included: Egypt, six boats still in service. Angola, six boats. Bulgaria , seven boats scrapped in 1992. Cambodia one ex-Vietnamese boat. German Democratic Republic , eighteen boats withdrawn between 1984-1990 .Guinea , three boats Guinea-Bissau , three boats discarded by 1992. Yugoslavia , fourteen boats (10 licence built) two captured by Croatia and the rest discarded by 1993. Cape Verde, two boats discarded by 1990. Congo, two boats non operational by the late 1980s North Korea , four boats. Vietnam , sixteen boats, upgraded. A simplified version, Project 206E, known to NATO as the Mol class, was built for export: Ethiopia: 2 boats, Iraq: 2 boats, Somalia: 4 boats, Sri Lanka: 4 boats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shershen-class_torpedo_boat
These were fast at 45 knots, but the days of the torpedo boat have long since passed
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Turya/ Matka and Bolshevik classes when RL allows.

 

[Tanelorn]

The Malaysian Spica-M Handalan class, armed with French Exocets. Four of these were delivered in 1976 and are currently in service. In all, the Handalans are more capable and better armed than the 4 larger Perdana-class (Combattante II) vessels of the Royal Malaysian Navy, delivered in 1972 also in service. They are a what-if look at what the Yugo Koncar class would be like with the originaly intended armament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handalan-class_missile_boat
Note to self: Do the Kralj

 

[Tanelorn]

Project 123 (NATO name P4 class) Soviet torpedo boat. The class was built between 1950-1956, in several variants. License production took place in China and the DPRK . Total production was 336 units. They were decomissioned by 1970, in Soviet service.
Export:
Albania: 12 units. All decommissioned in 1987 Bangladesh: 4 units. Benin: 2 units. Bulgaria: 12 units Vietnam: 12 units delivered in 1961, the type allegedly involved in the gulf of Tonkin incident. Egypt: 6 units Zaire: 3 units Iraq: 10 units Cyprus: 6 units delivered between 1964/65, two were sunk and two off-duty after the 1974 Turkish invasion. Two were captured. China: 90 units North Korea: 40 units some still active Cuba: 18 units since 1962 Romania: 12 units decomm. by 1979? North Yemen: 4 units South Yemen: 5 units Syria: 13 units Somalia: 6 units Tanzania: 4 units

Project 183 was a Soviet torpedo boat class , developed in the early fifties under the awesome code name Bolshevik , known to NATO as the P-6. They were based on the WW2 lend lease PT boats. In total, they built more than 600 ships of this type. It was the main Soviet cold war torpedo boat type, also exported to many countries of the Soviet sphere of influence. The 183R Komar missle boat was a derivative.
Export:
Algeria: 12 units decommissioned in 1975. Vietnam: 6 units delivered in 1962-67 Guinea: 4 units Guinea-Bissau GDR: 27 units Egypt: 46 units between 1956-70 Indonesia: 24 units Iraq: 12 units Kazakhstan: 1 unit in 1992 China: 12 units in 1951-52 from the USSR and 80 units built under license from 1957 as the type 02. Noth Korea: 42 units- 27 units from the USSR 15 units from China and at least 18 Sinnam class built under license. The 40 Sin Hung class are very similar. Cuba: 12 units in 1962 Poland: 19 units Syria: 8 units Somalia: 4 units Tanzania: 3 units (ex- GDR torpedo boats) Equatorial Guinea: 1 unit Ethiopia: 2 units South Yemen: 2 units

 

[Tanelorn]

The Turya class is a hydrofoil derivative of the Shershen-class torpedo boat, up to 40 knots fast. Its tubes can fire both anti-ship and ASW torpedoes. A heavier twin 57 mm gun was added aft in response to NATO FAC fitted with the 76 mm OTO Melara gun. 30 were built for the Soviet navy between 72 and 76. Two of those were transfered to the Latvian navy.
Export:
Cambodia - 2 boats Cuba: - 9 boats Ethiopia - 2 boats Seychelles - 1 boat Vietnam: - 5 boats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turya-class_torpedo_boat

 

[Tanelorn]

The Matka class is the NATO name for a class of hydrofoil missile boats (that btw means something nasty in Russian). The Soviet designation is Project 206MR Vikhr, comissioned between 77 and 83. These boats are the descendants of the Osa-class missile boat and are a heavily modified version of the Turya-class torpedo boat. Only 12 were built, as the design was proven dangerously top-heavy. After the breakup of the USSR, out of seven Russia sent four to the Caspian flotila, four (out of the seven, otherwise they don't add up) have since been decomissioned and one modified as a systems testbed. Five went to Ukraine, one of which was later transferred to Georgia where it was sunk in the 2008 Ossetia war. Two Ukranian boats have since been decomissioned and another one scrapped. It shares the same hull with the Stenka class patrol boat, 114 of which were built. Will do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matka-class_missile_boat

 

[Tanelorn]

The Stenka-class is the NATO name for an anti-submarine patrol boat version of the Osa-class missile boat.The anti ship missile launch containers were replaced by four torpedo tubes but the anti-ship missile related structures and equipment were retained. The enlarged superstructure is common with the later Matka missle boat class above (minus the hydrofoil underwater "wing"). A total of 114 or 117 boats were built between 1967 and 1990. About 19 survivors are operated by the Russian Coast Guard. Ex-USSR: Abkhazia - 2 boats, one sunk by ice. Azerbaijan Navy - 5 boats Ukrainian Navy - 10? out of 17 boats. Georgian Navy - 2 boats (1 was scrapped in 2006, another sunk in the battle off the coast of Abkhazia). Turkmenistan: 1 boat.
Export:
Cuban Navy - 4 boats exported in 1985 Cambodia - 5 boats transferred 1985-1987
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenka-class_patrol_boat
Note to self: Do the Canadians: St. Laurent> Restigouche> Mackenzie> Annapolis> Iroquois> Halifax

 

[gapetit]

Thanks Tanelorn, excellent boats

 

[Tanelorn]

@gapetit my pleasure, G.
Royal Canadian Navy (Canadian Armed Forces Maritime Command between 1968 and 2011) St. Laurent ASW DDEs launched in the mid 50s, modified with a hangar/ helipad and redesignated as DDHs in the early 60s. The seven ships were based on the Royal Navy Type 12 frigates. Six stayed in service up to the early 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Laurent-class_destroyer

 

[Patine]

@gapetit my pleasure, G.
Royal Canadian Navy (Canadian Armed Forces Maritime Command between 1968 and 2011) St. Laurent DDEs launched in the mid 50s, modified with a hangar/ helipad and redesignated as DDHs in the early 60s. The seven ships were based on the Royal Navy Type 12 frigates. Six stayed in service up to the early 90s.

Ah, yes, my cousin (who was a Major in the Canadian Forces before retiring to civilian life) mentioned these offhand once.

 

[Tanelorn]

The "Canadian Cadillacs"

 

[Tanelorn]

The rest of the Canadian St. Laurent derivative classes:

The Restigouche-class ASW destroyer was the second batch of seven improved St. Laurents that served the RCN from the late-1950s to the late-1990s. They didn't get the helicopter update of the St Laurents, so the three that weren't updated to the IRE standard, were withdrawn by 1974.

Four got the IRE update that included an aft ASROC launcher in place of the gun, new sonar and mast.
Out of those four, two got refitted with Harpoon ASM missle launchers instead of the ASROC and a phalanx CIWS, to serve in the first Gulf war in 1990.
All four were decomissioned between 1994 and 1998.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restigouche-class_destroyer
Four of the up-gunned Restigouche Mackenzie class served between 1962 and 1993. They had twin barrel front mounts and torpedoes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie-class_destroyer
Furthermore, two additional Mackenzie class destroyers were finished with the St. Laurent's helicopter hangar and served between 1964 and 1998 as the Annapolis class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis-class_destroyer
Most of the above got new electronics and torpedoes as part of the 1980s DELEX refit.

Their early adoption of helicopters is their main advantage. Despite their excellent saiiling properties, with the exception of the two Gulf refits, all of them were limited to the ASW role, posessing minimal to no real anti-ship or anti-air capability.

Iroquois class next.

 

[Patine]

The rest of the Canadian St. Laurent derivative classes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restigouche-class_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie-class_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis-class_destroyer

Problem is, we have a small navy and a VERY long coastline!

 

[Tanelorn]

A very good design that developed into an all-round capable ship, only four of which were built. They were in service between 1972 and march 2017. Due to spending cutbacks one was mothballed in 2000, shortly after they spent a ton of money to upgrade it, and it was scrapped in 2005...
On the other hand, the Iroquois was severely outclassed by the Halifax which is much cheaper to operate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois-class_destroyer

@Patine Why and most importantly how would anyone (other than the historical precedent) invade Canada?
Don't go South Park, I really want to know what you think.
18 destroyers in service at the end of the cold war, that's nothing to laugh at.

 

[BC1871]

The 280's even though they looked long in the tooth by the 2000's, gave great service. On a unique side note, I remember the day that the joint CAN-AM took out the Huron (being used as a gunnery target), that there was a sense of pride among members of MARPAC that it was the Navy (and in particular Algonquin) that took the fatal blow on the Huron, rather than letting the zoomies finish her off.

 

[Tanelorn]

Interesting story. I guess that service in the arctic takes a substantial additional toll on the hulls as well...