Tech Plans

[mike6426]

As I do not have any long term plans for Tech research, I would like your input. I am currently planning to plan for a bee-line to Democracy and Liberalism, but any ideas would be noted and looked at seriously. Suggest, recommend, and debate here, not in the office (it would get too crowded if you do). Any other things about my research can be discussed here, but this was mainly made for long-term ideas.

Info on subject is on Office of Chief Scientist- Term 5

 

[dutchfire]

If we haven't been found by any other civ when we've finished Banking, I think that Compass (from Germany?) + Optics is the way to go.

 

[Provolution]

1. I would like to see Literature (3 turns) and then we can build Heroic Epic in either Munich or Coppertown and National Epic somewhere else. This will be very useful in a war effort to replace lost troops without claiming too many national resources.

2. We need Engineering asap, this allows our catapults and infantry to move double speed on roads, which is essential for us if we want to move our armies around the map from Stuttgart and Essen in the far Southeast, and Hamburg and Dortmund in the far Northwest. Engineering will be crucial if we want to limit the length of these wars.

(I have ways to get compass and theology by war and peace).

 

[Methos]

I strongly support going straight for Banking. In the last turnset we went from 50% research to 20% and are just barely making a positive /t. This war is killing our economy and if we plan on supporting it further we need to increase our economic ability. Banking gives us Mercantilism and Banks, which is what we definitely need.

If we go any other route than Banking first, I'm prone to call for a ceasefire until we can get our economy straightened out.

 

[Provolution]

I can go for Banking, then either Literature or Engineering. There are several turns spent shifting the same troops between the German and Roman fronts, and I hope people see that.

With HE, we can bring in reinforcements fast
With Engineering, we can recycle the same troops fast.

HE is the easiest way, if you want to go Optics first
just 3 turns for literature after banking.

 

[ordinaryguy]

Of course banking, but I'm really undecided between Literature and Engineering.

 

[Provolution]

Literature would be the cheapest, and it fits our slow type of Warfare.
As it stands, with the pace of war we are running, the combination of Heroic Epic and Vassalage would be the optimal. This would liberate capacity both for growth in economy and our naval plan.

 

[Methos]

Here's a thought, if we're going for a full conquest of our continent, wouldn't it be best to wait to meet the other continent until after we're done? I'd hate to meet them, only to have them dow on us while we're fighting over here. Trade options would definitely be nice and I'd rather be us that meet them, than vice versa. I'm just wondering if we should first control our continent. We would send out our emissaries as we're starting to build our continent back up economically.

 

[Provolution]

The crux of the problem here is civil-military relations. We are having those of us that have an inconsistent wishlist that does not add up.

Civics changes are for example best during occupation of a new city as we heal troops, for example. Delaying the attack on Cologne till all catapults are up to front as well as Khans Gatebreakers in addition to time it with courthouse building is also good playing. Then taking sucessive cities for Compass is also good playing.

What we need to do now is to agree on a timeframe for conquering the entire continent, and how to do that in a smooth manner.

We have five top priorities as it stands for 50 turns:

Fight and win German War (10-10-10-10-0), that is 40 turns.
Prepare and fight/win Roman War (0-0-10-10-10)
Prepare Civics Changes (10-Merc/vass-10-10-10)
Build courthouses, banks, markets and grocers (50 turns total)
Build relevant wonders (HE, NE and a few others)

In sum, we want to fight two longer protracted wars as we build up our economy (which is why we have to move "slowly") over about 50 turns.

A War that would handle both Romans and Germans in 30 turns, would require Engineering (road movement) and HE and Vassalage). With a 50 turn horizon, I can do without Engineering. HE is required to allow more cities to build their four commercial buildings (Courthouse, Market, Bank, Grocer). HE also allows us to build 2-3 wonders as well, as we get a war-specialization city.

 

[dutchfire]

Here's a thought, if we're going for a full conquest of our continent, wouldn't it be best to wait to meet the other continent until after we're done? I'd hate to meet them, only to have them dow on us while we're fighting over here. Trade options would definitely be nice and I'd rather be us that meet them, than vice versa. I'm just wondering if we should first control our continent. We would send out our emissaries as we're starting to build our continent back up economically.

Well, I'm not really afraid of the AI. To dow on us and do any damage, they'd need astronomy, so that's quite far off hopefully. And even then, the AI isn't that good at invasions , so I'm fairly sure we'd be able to handle it.

 

[ori]

the only "danger" I see is that we'll get the "you declared war on our friend" penalty when they meet our neighbors since that is triggered whenever they are "cautious" or better with someone - which is almost invariably the case when they meet a new AI... And I feel we can live with that...

 

[DaveShack]

Nah, make sure our neighbors are nothing but a memory, and then it's not a problem any more.

 

[Provolution]

This is why I would like an idea, if we should go for a 30 turn clean-up or a 50 turn clean-up. These are the options for taking this continent.

 

[mike6426]

Bump to talk about the next chat's tech.

 

[fed1943]

First Literature for HE and NE.

Then Engineering for pikemen and better roads.

Then Drama for discount on Music and Philosophie.

Best regards,

 

[Provolution]

I agree with Fed here. We need to go into breadth, not Debth, simply because we need to raise our continent like one organism. Literature first for the wonders to be built, then Engineering for Pikemen and better roads (this allows us to move workers faster from one building project to another).

Military may be cheated for Vassalage, but at least given some crumbs.

 

[dutchfire]

Education for universities and for leading to Liberalism.

 

[Hyronymus]

First to discover Liberalism received a free technology, right? Surely an interesting path although Engineering is important too imho.

 

[dutchfire]

First to discover Liberalism received a free technology, right?

:nod:

A free tech is pretty big IMO

 

[dutchfire]

Poll is up