Tech Tree Discussion

[raxo2222]

While other entries in pedia are fairly invisible for players due to pedia being slow without Toffer's mod, Tech quote, description and strategy are visible, when you research tech.

Spoiler :

Controlled Fire - missing strategy text.
Basketry - missing strategy text.
Tool Making - missing strategy text.
Trapping - missing strategy text.
Tracking - missing strategy text.
Ground Stone - missing strategy text.
Theft - missing strategy text.
Soft-Hammer Percussion - missing strategy text.
Chopping - missing strategy text.
Piercing - missing strategy text.
Scraping - missing strategy text.
Games - missing strategy text.
Carving - missing strategy text.
Skinning - missing strategy text.
Conduct - missing strategy text.
Simple Wood Working - missing strategy text.
Bone Working - missing strategy text.
Binding - missing strategy text.
Adhesives - missing strategy text.
Flint Knapping - missing strategy text.
Heat Treatments - missing strategy text.
Tattoos - missing strategy text.
Composite Tools - missing strategy text.
Personal Adorment - missing strategy text.
Bark Working - missing quote and strategy text.
Sewing - missing strategy text.
Bead Making - missing strategy text.
Portable Shelters - missing strategy text.
Warfare - missing history text.
Tanning - missing strategy text.
Barter - missing strategy text.
Atlatl Making - missing strategy text.
Hunting Tactics - missing strategy text.
Carpentry - missing strategy text.
Slash and Burn - missing history and strategy text.
Boat Building - missing strategy text.
Poultry Domestication - missing strategy text.
Equine Domestication - missing strategy text.
Camelid Domestication - missing strategy text.
Harpoon Making - missing strategy text.
Celebration - missing strategy text.
Falconry - missing strategy text.

Community - missing strategy text.
Taxonomy - missing strategy text.
Bread Making - missing strategy text.
Consciousness - missing strategy text.
Folk Music - missing strategy text.
Folk Dance - missing strategy text.
Apiculture - missing strategy text.
Ancestor Worship - missing strategy text.
Exploration - missing strategy text.
Orchards - missing strategy text.
Standardization - missing strategy text.
Heritage - missing strategy text.
Stargazing - missing strategy text.
Pulley - missing strategy text.
Board Games - missing strategy text.
Folk Medicine - missing strategy text.
Textile Loom - missing strategy text.
Salt Processing - missing strategy text.
Ceremony - missing strategy text.
Soap Making - missing strategy text.
Gardening - missing strategy text.
Leisure - missing strategy text.
Ornamentation - missing strategy text.
Candle Making - missing strategy text.
Specialization - missing strategy text.
Sundial - missing strategy text.
Furniture Making - missing strategy text.
Matriarchy - missing strategy text.
Locks - missing strategy text.
Plumbing - missing strategy text.
Gears - missing strategy text.
Cuisine - missing strategy text.
Monotheism - missing strategy text.
Patriarchy - missing strategy text.
Magic - missing strategy text.
Brass Working - missing strategy text.
Central Heating - missing strategy text.
Hydraulic Mining - missing strategy text.
Veterinary Medicine - missing strategy text.
Cloud Patterns - missing strategy text.
Linguistics - missing strategy text.
Canaaism - missing strategy text.

Classical Lifestyle - missing strategy text.
Mail - missing strategy text.
Rodnovera - missing strategy text.
Ancient Machinery - missing strategy text.
Geometry - missing strategy text.
Combat Sports - missing strategy text.
Spice Trade - missing strategy text.
Ancient Ballistics - missing strategy text.
Concrete - missing strategy text.
Ancient Medicine - missing strategy text.
Meritocracy - missing strategy text.
Drug Trade - missing strategy text.
Insurance - missing strategy text.
Floristry - missing strategy text.
Mosaic Working - missing strategy text.
Weather Lore - missing strategy text.
Poetry - missing strategy text.

Smithing - missing strategy text.
Stained Glass - missing strategy text.
Invention - missing strategy text.
Commercial Whaling - missing strategy text.
Martial Arts - missing strategy text.
Crucible Steel - missing strategy text.
Coal Mining - missing strategy text.
Clockpunk - missing strategy text.
Tournaments - missing strategy text.
Acoustics - missing strategy text.

Dueling - missing strategy text.
Weather Forecasting - missing strategy text.
Lead Glass - missing quote text.
Team Sports - missing strategy text.
Critical Thought - missing strategy text.
Heliocentrism - missing quote text.
Patent Rights - missing strategy text.
Stock Brokering - missing strategy text.
Enlightenment - missing strategy text.
Microbiology - missing strategy text.
Geology - missing strategy text.
Zoology - missing strategy text.
Botany - missing strategy text.
Archeology - missing strategy text.
Paleontology - missing strategy text.
Hot Air Ballon - missing strategy text.

Emancipation - missing strategy text.
Romanticism - missing strategy text.
Steampunk - missing strategy text.
Food Preservation - missing strategy text.
Telegraph - missing strategy text.
Wildlife Conservation - missing strategy text.
Meteorology - missing strategy text.
Lawn Sports - missing strategy text.
Bicycles - missing strategy text.
Water Sports - missing strategy text.
Criminology - missing strategy text.
Barbed Wire - missing strategy text.
Impressionism - missing strategy text.
Gyrocompass - missing quote and strategy text.
Cubism - missing strategy text.
Expressionism - missing strategy text.
Animation - missing strategy text.
CaoDai - missing quote and strategy text.
Motorsports - missing strategy text.

Dada - missing strategy text.
Modern Art - missing strategy text.
Dieselpunk - missing strategy text.
Cosmology - missing strategy text.
Surrealism - missing strategy text.
Encryption Machines - strategy and history text is switched with each other.
Pop Art - missing strategy text.
Highway Systems - missing strategy text.
Franchises - missing strategy text.
Television - missing strategy text.
Early Computing - missing strategy text.
Atompunk - missing strategy text.
Molecular Biology - missing strategy text.
Microwaves - missing strategy text.
Long Range Forecasting - missing strategy text.
Deep Sea Exploration - missing strategy text.
Minority Rights - missing strategy text.
Modern Sports - missing strategy text.
Climate Models - missing strategy text.
Astro Environmental Systems - missing strategy text.
Microprocessor - missing strategy text.
Composites - missing history text.
Extreme Sports - missing strategy text.

Planetary Exploration - missing quote text.
Gastronomy - missing strategy text.
Forensics - missing strategy text.
New Urbanism - missing quote text.
Derivatives - missing strategy text.
War Simulations - missing strategy text.
Biomaterials - missing strategy text.
Neural Networks - missing strategy text.
Bioinformatics - missing strategy text.
Renewable Energy - missing strategy text.
Cloud Computing - missing strategy text.
Media Psychology - missing strategy text.
Lunar Bases - missing strategy text.
Quantum Teleportation - missing strategy text.
Machine Learning - missing strategy text.
Wearable Computers - missing strategy text.
Biopunk - missing strategy text.
Genetic Biochemistry - missing strategy text.
Unmanned Naval Vehicles - missing strategy text.
Cyberwarfare - missing strategy text.
Online Community - missing strategy text.
Biomechanical Harvesters - missing strategy text.
Biomathematics - missing strategy text.
Exoplanet Discovery - missing strategy text.
Cyberpunk - missing strategy text.
Digitization - missing strategy text.
Rapid Prototyping - missing strategy text.
Flash Memory - missing strategy text.
Molecular Medicine - missing strategy text.
Metamaterials - missing strategy text.
Commercial Spaceflight - missing strategy text.
Imaginary Physics - missing strategy text.
Powered Exoskeletons - missing strategy text.
Disaster Robotics - missing strategy text.
Genomic Encyclopedia - missing strategy text.
Railgun - missing strategy text.
Organic Photonics - missing strategy text.
Megacities - missing strategy text.
Direct Merchandising - missing strategy text.
Micromechanics - missing strategy text.
Asteroid Belt Probes - missing strategy text.
Replacement Organs - missing strategy text.
Genesis Biology - missing strategy text.
Augmented Reality - missing strategy text.
Controlled Plasma - missing strategy text.
Virtual Society - missing strategy text.
Microgenerators - missing strategy text.
Jovian Exploration - missing strategy text.
Marine Architecture - missing strategy text.
Affective Algorithms - missing strategy text.
Personalized Health - missing strategy text.
Graphene Alloys - missing strategy text.
Bacterium Engineering - missing strategy text.

Nano-Architecture - missing strategy text.
Biometric Warfare - missing strategy text.
Thought Scanning - missing strategy text.
Liquid Metals - missing strategy text.
Invisibility - missing strategy text.
Prototyped Pathogens - missing strategy text.
Ubiquitous Computing - missing strategy text.
Mass Surveillance - missing strategy text.
Nanogenerators - missing strategy text.
Gene Enhancement - missing strategy text.
Holographics - missing strategy text.
Nanopunk - missing strategy text.
Augment Consumables - missing strategy text.
Mainstream Cloning - missing strategy text.
Megacorporations - missing strategy text.
Gene Jurisprudence - missing strategy text.
Media Hivemind - missing strategy text.
Plastic Electronics - missing strategy text.
Internal Shockwave Engine - missing strategy text.
Ontological Engineering - missing strategy text.
Synthetic Sentience - missing strategy text.
Automated Urbanization - missing strategy text.
Biomimetics - missing strategy text.
Novus Chemistry - missing strategy text.
Rapid Recuperation - missing strategy text.
Wireless Electricity - missing strategy text.
Warmachines - missing strategy text.
Vertical Farming - missing strategy text.
Supersonic Rails - missing strategy text.
Interactive Glass - missing strategy text.
Photon Thermodynamics - missing strategy text.
Droids - missing strategy text.
Exocortex Networks - missing strategy text.
Smart Drugs - missing strategy text.
Quantum Computing - missing strategy text.
Orbital Flight - missing strategy text.
Battlefield Sports - missing strategy text.
Dystopia Pathogens - missing strategy text.
Electromagnetic Voltage - missing strategy text.
Cyberimmunology - missing strategy text.
DNA Computing - missing strategy text.
Hypothetical Biochemistry - missing strategy text.
Supercharged Crystallography - missing strategy text.
Cybersociology - missing strategy text.
Personal Robots - missing strategy text.
Designer Microbiology - missing strategy text.
Lunar Trade - missing strategy text.

Deep Space Colonies - missing strategy text.
Artificial Photosynthesis - missing strategy text.
Unification Physics - missing strategy text.
Binary Legislation - missing strategy text.
Synthetic Synesthesia - missing strategy text.
Neuron Engineering - missing strategy text.
Planetary Trade - missing strategy text.
Simulated Reality - missing strategy text.
Kuiper Belt Exploration - missing strategy text.
Hypermagnetics - missing strategy text.
Utopia Destiny - missing strategy text.
Binary Subconsciousness - missing strategy text.
Quadruple Helix - missing strategy text.
Novo Paleontology - missing strategy text.
Binary Semiotics - missing strategy text.
Synergetics - missing strategy text.
Social Calculus - missing strategy text.
Crystalpunk - missing strategy and history text.
Astrogation Constellation - missing strategy text.
Mind Uploading - missing strategy text.
Optronics - missing strategy text.
Evolved Construction - missing strategy text.
Botanical Alchemy - missing strategy text.
Nutraceutal Animals - missing strategy text.
Whole Brain Emulation - missing strategy text.
Orbital Megastructures - missing strategy text.
Technological Singularity - missing strategy text.
Organic Cities - missing strategy text.
Abyss Colonization - missing strategy text.
Comprehesive Cybernetics - missing strategy text.
Animamaterials - missing strategy text.
Transhumanism - missing strategy text.
Knowledge Mercantilism - missing strategy text.
Apocylaptic Pathogens - missing strategy text.
Gaia Ecology - missing strategy text.
Artificial Nucleosynthesis - missing strategy text.
Speculative Physiology - missing strategy text.
Mythological Bestiary - missing strategy text.
Sapientroids - missing strategy text.
Photonic Satellites - missing strategy text.
Binary Psychokinesis - missing strategy text.
Human Transmutation - missing strategy text.
Asteroid Extraction - missing quote and strategy text.
Planetary Defenses - missing strategy text.
Subterranean Exploration - missing strategy text.
Solar Ordnance - missing strategy text.
Planetary Megastructures - missing strategy text.

Antimatter Production - missing strategy text.
Interstellar Travel - missing strategy text.
Paraterraforming - missing strategy and history text.
Geosculpting - missing strategy text.
Spacepunk - missing strategy and history text.
Closed Economics - missing strategy text.
Colony Governance - missing strategy text.
Cultural Evolution - missing strategy text.
Lunar Terraforming - missing strategy and history text.
Precision Social Engineering - missing strategy text.
Cosmic Perspective - missing strategy text.
Interstellar Communication - missing strategy text.
Teleportation - missing strategy text.
Molecular Assembly - missing strategy text.
Data Archival - missing strategy text.
Xenodiplomacy - missing strategy text.
Exomining - missing strategy text.
Planet Scouting - missing strategy text.
Adaptive Radiation - missing strategy text.
Gerontocracy - missing strategy text.
Adaptive Architecture - missing strategy text.
Astroindustry - missing strategy text.
Posthumanism - missing strategy text.
Star Lifting - missing strategy text.
Planet Scanning - missing strategy text.
Ecosynthesis - missing strategy text.
Astroimperialim - missing strategy text.
Orbital Engineering - missing strategy text.
Astroengineering - missing strategy text.
Picotechnology - missing strategy text.
Megastrong Alloys - missing strategy text.
Stellar Computing - missing strategy text.
Stellar Engine - missing strategy text.
Neutrino Communications - missing strategy and history text.
Species Amalgamation - missing strategy text.

Directed Panspermia - missing strategy text.
Femtotechnology - missing strategy text.
Applied Relativity - missing strategy text.
Galactic Warfare - missing strategy text.
Ultima Architecture - missing strategy text.
Particle Genetics - missing strategy text.
Gravitronics - missing strategy text.
Cultural Longevity - missing strategy text.
Intergalactic Colonization - missing strategy text.
Ultracomputing - missing strategy and history text.
Wave Motion Gun - missing strategy text.
Galactic Engineering - missing strategy text.
Galactic Ecology - missing strategy text.
Immortality - missing strategy text.
Wormhole Hivemind - missing strategy text.
Exotic Star Colonization - missing strategy text.
Intergroup Travel - missing strategy text.
Unification Mathematics - missing strategy text.
Computronium Universe - missing strategy text.
Galactiforming - missing strategy text.
Intergalacric Empire - missing strategy text.
Zeptotechnology - missing strategy text.
Induced Supernova - missing strategy text.
Zero-Point Energy - missing strategy text.
Dark Matter Engineering - missing strategy text.
Megawormholes - missing strategy text.
Reactionless Drive - missing strategy text.
Supersymmetric Particle Construction - missing strategy text.
Macroscopic Superposition - missing strategy text.
Noogenesis - missing strategy text.
Starpunk - missing strategy text.
Electroweak Matter - missing strategy text.
Compact Wormholes - missing strategy text.
Intercluster Travel - missing strategy text.
Dark Energy Harvesting - missing strategy text.
Omega Minus Engineering - missing strategy and history text.
Spacetime Economics - missing strategy text.
Neutronium - missing strategy text.
Pure Information Society - missing strategy text.
Quantum Ramjet - missing strategy text.
Luminal Beings - missing strategy and history text.
Cosmic Engineering - missing strategy text.
Mesiokinesis - missing strategy text.
Fantasy Materials - missing strategy text.
Tachyon Communications - missing strategy text.
Grand Unification Biology - missing strategy text.
Shapeshifting - missing strategy text.
Stable Time Loops - missing strategy text.

In last era all techs have missing strategy text.
Exceptions:
Transverse Euclidean Geometry
Endogenous Euclidean Propulsion

Excluding missing strategy section:
Bark Working - missing quote text.
Lead Glass - missing quote text.
Heliocentrism - missing quote text.
Gyrocompass - missing quote text.
CaoDai - missing quote text.
Planetary Exploration - missing quote text.
New Urbanism - missing quote text.
Asteroid Extraction - missing quote text.

Warfare - missing history text.
Slash and Burn - missing history text.
Encryption Machines - strategy and history text is switched with each other.
Composites - missing history text.
Crystalpunk - missing history text.
Paraterraforming - missing history text.
Spacepunk - missing history text.
Lunar Terraforming - missing history text.
Neutrino Communications - missing history text.
Ultracomputing - missing history text.
Omega Minus Engineering - missing history text.
Luminal Beings - missing history text.

 

[Thunderbrd]

I take it you're saying you'll be working on that?

 

[KaTiON_PT]

@raxo2222 I'm still working on the civopedia missing texts. Had to take a break to study for some finals before the semester is over. In june I will have more time to resume work.

 

[raxo2222]

I take it you're saying you'll be working on that?

Well I'm not very good at creating strategy or quote entries.
As for quotes weren't there audio quotes too?
History entry could be done by copypasting wiki.

@raxo2222 I'm still working on the civopedia missing texts. Had to take a break to study for some finals before the semester is over. In june I will have more time to resume work.

Make sure you don't copy wiki source numbers - there were random [#] (# being number of source) in pedia text.
I cleaned all of those in one of my commits

 

[MagnusIlluminus]

Personally, I doubt that the prehistoric techs need "strategy" text at all, if only because prehistoric peoples haven't yet discovered/developed the use of strategy. It would be something like "Now you can hit things with a rock!" or "Now you know how to dance!" Unless I am missing the point of the text, which is possible.

 

[raxo2222]

Personally, I doubt that the prehistoric techs need "strategy" text at all, if only because prehistoric peoples haven't yet discovered/developed the use of strategy. It would be something like "Now you can hit things with a rock!" or "Now you know how to dance!" Unless I am missing the point of the text, which is possible.

Strategy is essentially summary of things that building/unit/tech can do.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Strategy is essentially summary of things that building/unit/tech can do.

It has been, but I'd like to see deeper strategic insights there someday. Anyone can see from the automatic tag displays what a building, unit, or tech can do - but to explain from an advanced player's perspective some hidden gems of knowledge about how to make the most of those things would be a bit more interesting.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Personally, I doubt that the prehistoric techs need "strategy" text at all, if only because prehistoric peoples haven't yet discovered/developed the use of strategy. It would be something like "Now you can hit things with a rock!" or "Now you know how to dance!" Unless I am missing the point of the text, which is possible.

This would be hilarious and awesome if most of the prehistoric techs had strategy quotes like this.

 

[MagnusIlluminus]

Ah, got it, it is strategy from the player's perspective, not from an in-game one. That makes more sense.

I agree with Thunderbrd, that anyone can see the functions of the things unlocked by mousing over them. Thus the strategy text should go deeper. Or shallower if humor is preferred. Possibly both. And suddenly I find myself contemplating trying to make one or two sentence texts for each Tech and weaving such into a metagame story. I ... am going to have to give this some thought.

 

[pepper2000]

OK, by way of heads up, I am back in action with modding and I plan on adding the techs described on P. 106, hopefully today or tomorrow.

 

[raxo2222]

OK, by way of heads up, I am back in action with modding and I plan on adding the techs described on P. 106, hopefully today or tomorrow.

I see 12 techs are going to be added increasing total to 941 techs.

This might shift my calendar slightly as its based on tech tree.
Normal speed might see some shifts by turn.

X61 - X70 is Industrial, 3 additions.
X71 - X85 is Modern, 4 additions.
X86 - X98 is Information, 4 additions.and 1 moved so total gain of 3 techs.
X99 - X109 is Nanotech, Gets one tech from Information
Galactic era gets 1 tech.

Those eras will be slightly longer at cost of others.
Cosmic era is shortest one in my calendar....

There is Frost Beams tech at Transhuman era, that shamelessly claims, that is very speculative.
Not sure if this one is too speculative to be here.

Also techs might be needed to be resorted, and any tech prereq redundancies of techs/buildings/units would have to be cleared.

 

[UncivilizedGuy]

I love this tech tree and I know some tech placements are debatable but why does Sailing come before Agriculture? I can't find any info that dates Sailing that early in history.

 

[raxo2222]

I love this tech tree and I know some tech placements are debatable but why does Sailing come before Agriculture? I can't find any info that dates Sailing that early in history.

I think it refers to sailing along coasts, excluding religion and lifestyle tech they are next to each other.

 

[Yudishtira]

I love this tech tree and I know some tech placements are debatable but why does Sailing come before Agriculture? I can't find any info that dates Sailing that early in history.

One possible date given in Wikipedia for the Austronesian migration to Taiwan from the Asian mainland (by outrigger) is "approximately 10,000 - 6,000 BCE".

It's vague I know and it's one seemingly unpopular school of thought, but is that early enough to answer your question?

 

[UncivilizedGuy]

An outrigger has nothing to with sailing. Outriggers allowed small boats to remain stable on the ocean. The earliest evidence of the actual sailing technology is from around 5000 bc in the Middle East well after the invention of agriculture.

 

[Yudishtira]

An outrigger has nothing to with sailing. Outriggers allowed small boats to remain stable on the ocean. The earliest evidence of the actual sailing technology is from around 5000 bc in the Middle East well after the invention of agriculture.

The game's outriggers have sails. It's likely the Austronesians' ones did too, as the distance in question is 180km.

Still I did say it was one unpopular school of thought.

 

[KaTiON_PT]

Out of curiosity, what column would represent 5 000 BCE technologies?

 

[UncivilizedGuy]

Distance has nothing to do with it. You can travel across the ocean on currents alone as proven by Thor Heyerdahl. Austronesians did use sails but that wasn’t until the end of the Neolithic.

 

[UncivilizedGuy]

Out of curiosity, what column would represent 5 000 BCE technologies?

Probably a column or two after Agriculture. The Neolithic is a bit condensed in this tech tree.

 

[KaTiON_PT]

Probably a column or two after Agriculture. The Neolithic is a bit condensed in this tech tree.

I'll later see if it looks good.