Thunderbrd
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Hydromancerx
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Hey I have not checked on C2C in awhile and wondered if some of the techs I proposed got added yet such as ....
- Wind Power
- Bioforming
Thanks if you guys did already.
- Wind Power
- Bioforming
Thanks if you guys did already.
Thunderbrd
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I don't think so. You had that vision and I think I looked at it and nodded and kept working on the infinite list of incredibly high priority stuff I'm working on already.
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I did add a Bioforming Studio at Human Transmutation. It's an interesting tech idea, though I'm still not sure it is distinct enough from Human Transmutation to warrant a separate tech, nor is there enough content there to require splitting it up.
I am keeping my own list of techs in the Industrial, Atomic, and Information Eras that we should consider, and I added Wind Power to the list. The late Industrial (where I presume Wind Power would go) part of the tree is getting a bit crowded, so I think the question is how much content would go there. I have tried to follow the rule of three: there should be at least three new pieces of content (buildings, units, civics, promotions, etc.) available at every tech.
It will be a while before I can get to these. I will have to figure out where they will go, what the prereqs are and what they lead to, probably move a few other techs around due to crowding, design the icons and tech quotes, etc. I would probably try to do a bunch at once rather than one at a time and seek consensus from the team. I also have marriage and career change on the horizon.
I am keeping my own list of techs in the Industrial, Atomic, and Information Eras that we should consider, and I added Wind Power to the list. The late Industrial (where I presume Wind Power would go) part of the tree is getting a bit crowded, so I think the question is how much content would go there. I have tried to follow the rule of three: there should be at least three new pieces of content (buildings, units, civics, promotions, etc.) available at every tech.
It will be a while before I can get to these. I will have to figure out where they will go, what the prereqs are and what they lead to, probably move a few other techs around due to crowding, design the icons and tech quotes, etc. I would probably try to do a bunch at once rather than one at a time and seek consensus from the team. I also have marriage and career change on the horizon.
Thunderbrd
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Congrats!
pepper2000
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I've got a new batch of techs to add, mostly to fill what I see as a few gaps in the tree. For each new tech, I have already settled on images and tech quotes, and I have at least three buildings that are new or moved from other techs (none of which will fall below allowing at least three new pieces of content). Following are the details and my rationale. I will go ahead with these changes if it seems like everyone is happy with them.
Statistics X62, Y19. Requires Industrial Lifestyle. We have at least one mathematical tech in the earlier eras (Mathematics and Geometry in Classical, Algebra in Medieval, Calculus in Renaissance), so I would like to continue the pattern to some of the later eras. Statistics is a particularly important branch of mathematics that laid the groundwork for numerous Industrial technologies and organization. I plan to add a university-level Mathematics Department to replace the Mathematics Academy, a National Census, a Public Health Agency, and the Metric System.
Thermodynamics and Modern Sanitation will require Statistics.
Incandescent Lighting X68, Y19. Requires Electricity. The light bulb is the quintessential invention (and the symbol of technology in Civ I) and deserves its own tech. Also, the Electricity tech is rather overloaded. Edison's Workshop and all the lighting techs at Electricity will be moved to Incandescent Lighting.
Telephone X68, Y11. Requires Electricity. I always found it puzzling that Telephone Network is opened at Telegraph. Telegraph and Telephone are far enough in history and distinct enough that they are really two separate techs. Also, you need Electricity to build a Telephone Network, which requires Telegraph. In addition to moving Telephone Network, I plan to add Call Center and Polling Firm at Telephone. I also plan to add Mail Order Catalogue at Telegraph to fill the gap created there.
Civil Engineering is moved to X69, Y17 and requires Incandescent Lighting and Telephone instead of Electricity
Management X70, Y9. Requires Psychology, Civil Engineering, Foreign Policy. The late 19th century is the time when management as a discipline matured. In particular, this is meant to capture Frederick Taylor's system of scientific management. I plan to move Assembly Plant here, and add IQ Testing Center, Racial Profiling, Business School, Wristwatch Maker, and Time Zones. On a somewhat related note, I would like to see the Assembly Plant become a prereq for more Atomic Era buildings, a role similar to Factory and Manufacturing Plant. I am debating internally whether I want to call the tech Management or Scientific Management.
Industrialism, Trench Warfare, and Fascism will require Management.
Abstract Mathematics X72, Y7. Requires Modern Lifestyle. This is the Atomic Era mathematical tech. It was around the late 19th, early 20th centuries that pure mathematics as we know it today matured as an academic discipline. I'm not sure exactly what to add here, but I am planning on several major mathematical theorems that are built as Great Wonders, such as Fermat's Last Theorem, the Godel Incompleteness Theorem, the Church-Turing Thesis (though that might fit better at Decryption Machines), and the Millennium Problems. While we're at it, it might be interesting to put some other major theorems in the game at other techs, such as the Pythagorean Theorem, the Quadratic Formula, and the Four Color Theorem. But that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
Encryption Machines requires Abstract Mathematics.
Theory of Relativity requires Abstract Mathematics instead of Modern Lifestyle. Also, Theory of Relativity is moved to X73, Y7.
Computer Science X79, Y13. Requires Early Computing, Modern Physics. We have a lot of computer techs around this time: Early Computing, Semiconductors, Microprocessor, and Personal Computers. But they all focus on hardware. The Computer Science tech would focus on software. Buildings include Software Firm, Computer Science Department, Programming Language, User Experience Research Lab, and Supercomputer. Might also call this tech Programming or Software Engineering.
Personal Computers requires Computer Science.
Postmodernism X79, Y5. Requires Pop Art, Globalization. We arguable have an overabundance of art-related techs in the Industrial and early Atomic Eras. Postmodernism would come later than the rest, and I think it is historically important enough to merit its own tech. New content includes Retreat Center, Environmental Art Studio, Portland Building.
Mass Media requires Postmodernism instead of Pop Art.
Chaos Theory X87, Y1. Requires Information Lifestyle and Climate Models. This is the Information Era mathematical tech, and a catch all for contemporary mathematics. Compared to Abstract Mathematics in the previous era, the focus is more on applications. I went with Chaos Theory because that was a branch of mathematics that captured the public imagination in the 1990s and in some ways feels appropriate for the ethos of the period. New content includes Biosphere 2, Traffic Engineering Agency, Financial Risk Monitor, ArXiv.
Communication Networks requires Chaos Theory instead of Microwaves, Satellites, Laser.
Computational Sociology X94, Y17. Requires Machine Learning, Online Community. Computational Sociology is an emerging discipline that applies quantitative methods to sociological research. Arguably there is some overlap with Media Psychology. New content includes Center for [AI/Biotech/Nanotech] Safety and Social Media Surveillance. Also, the Applied Sociology Lab is currently misplaced at Cybersociology and will be moved here. Speaking of which, I need a better sense of what the Cybersociology tech is for.
Augmented Reality, Direct Merchandizing, Megacities requires Computational Sociology.
Industrial Ecology X95, Y5. Requires Ecological Engineering, Rapid Prototyping. I'm on the fence on this one, since it comes right after Ecological Engineering and looks rather similar. But I have a lot of things I want to add around this period and the Ecological Engineering tech is getting overloaded. I see Ecological Engineering more about urban design and culture, and Industrial Ecology is more about heavy industry. New content includes Hydraulic Fracturing, Enhanced Geothermal Systems, Aquaponics Tank, Heating and Cooling District, Supercritical CO2 Turbine. Automated Waste Disposal, Generation IV Reactor, and CO2 Reservoir would be moved here, and perhaps some of the manufacturing complexes currently at Rapid Prototyping.
Megacities and Controlled Plasma require Industrial Ecology
Autonomous Vehicles X95, Y15. Rapid Prototyping and Digitization. Would replace the existing Automated Traffic tech.
Automated Traffic. Moved to X100, Y19. Requires Nanotech Lifestyle and Affective Algorithms and Megacities. Why have Autonomous Vehicles and Automated Traffic as separate techs? Again, it comes down to a growing list of new content, which is starting to be too much for one tech. AVs are about individual vehicles and refer to self-driving cars, automated tractors for farms, and automated mining systems. This is an emerging technology today. Automated Traffic is more futuristic. It refers to a traffic system where manual driving has been phased out, allowing for novel transportation system designs. I plan on adding Interlaced Intersections, Subterranean Tunnel Network (see e.g. The Boring Company), Mobile Bodega, Elevated Bicycle Track. I am still sorting out which existing buildings should go at AV and which should go at AT.
Automated Robotics and Hypersonic Flight require Automated Traffic.
Jovian Terraforming X133, Y13. Requires Ecosynthesis, Gravity Control. Using superstrong materials or some sort of active support system, we can "terraform" a gas giant by building a massive shell around it. Previously this concept was folding up in Planet Engineering, but against I want to add too much more one tech. New content includes Terraformed [Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune], Interstellar Terraformed Gas Giant. Fusion Candle will probably be moved here.
Stellar Computing requires Jovian Terraforming.
Additionally, there are a number of redundant tech prereqs in the Galactic Era that I would like to clean up.
. Deep Space Colonies requires Planetary Manufacturing
. Kuiper Belt Exploration does not require Planetary Manufacturing
. Weather Control does not require Climate Models
. Subterranean Exploration requires Advanced Shielding and Human Transmutation instead of Astro Environmental Systems and Volcanology
. Colony Arcology requires Sentient Earth, rather than Shielding and Organic Cities
. Drop Advanced Shielding and Planetary Manufacturing from Launch Arcology requirements
. Astroecology requires only Galactic Lifestyle
. Attometer Nanomorphism requires Cultural Evolution instead of Nanotroids
. Teleportation requires Interstellar Communication instead of Quantum Computing
. Weaponized Disintegration does not require Solar Ordnance
. Weaponized Gravity Fields does not require Advanced Warmachines
. Weaponized Antimatter requires Star Lifting instead of Weaponized Disintegration
. Astroimperialism does not require Interstellar Communication
. Picotechnology does not require Teleportation
. Wormhole Traversal does not require Teleportation
I will conclude with some general thoughts on the future tech tree. Right now I am dissatisfied with a few things in how the Galactic Era works. There is a gap between Interstellar Travel and Interstellar Colonization to capture the travel time of the first interstellar journeys, which are likely to be around a century. I like that, but the gap might be too long. By the same token, the portion of Galactic Era after Interstellar Colonization feels a bit compressed, and I would like to have another column or two to work with. Fortunately there are a couple columns in the early Galactic Era without much content, so it should be possible to shift things around without disrupting the other eras.
Another issue is that, to the fullest extent possible, I want to have all speculative physics be in the Cosmic and Transcendent Eras. There are tons of great concepts for colonizing the galaxy and even neighboring galaxies using only established physics, but they get spoiled when wormholes, warp drives, and time travel are available. Perhaps Intergalactic Colonization and Wormhole Communications could both be in the first column of the Cosmic Era. Moving those things forward would give us more room in the Galactic Era to build out great astroengineering works. There are also various gravity manipulation techs in the Transhuman and Galactic Eras, which are also speculative physics, and those are tricky to deal with.
All these changes would require a lot of careful rearranging of the existing content, so this would be a major project and I don't have a clear plan yet.
Statistics X62, Y19. Requires Industrial Lifestyle. We have at least one mathematical tech in the earlier eras (Mathematics and Geometry in Classical, Algebra in Medieval, Calculus in Renaissance), so I would like to continue the pattern to some of the later eras. Statistics is a particularly important branch of mathematics that laid the groundwork for numerous Industrial technologies and organization. I plan to add a university-level Mathematics Department to replace the Mathematics Academy, a National Census, a Public Health Agency, and the Metric System.
Thermodynamics and Modern Sanitation will require Statistics.
Incandescent Lighting X68, Y19. Requires Electricity. The light bulb is the quintessential invention (and the symbol of technology in Civ I) and deserves its own tech. Also, the Electricity tech is rather overloaded. Edison's Workshop and all the lighting techs at Electricity will be moved to Incandescent Lighting.
Telephone X68, Y11. Requires Electricity. I always found it puzzling that Telephone Network is opened at Telegraph. Telegraph and Telephone are far enough in history and distinct enough that they are really two separate techs. Also, you need Electricity to build a Telephone Network, which requires Telegraph. In addition to moving Telephone Network, I plan to add Call Center and Polling Firm at Telephone. I also plan to add Mail Order Catalogue at Telegraph to fill the gap created there.
Civil Engineering is moved to X69, Y17 and requires Incandescent Lighting and Telephone instead of Electricity
Management X70, Y9. Requires Psychology, Civil Engineering, Foreign Policy. The late 19th century is the time when management as a discipline matured. In particular, this is meant to capture Frederick Taylor's system of scientific management. I plan to move Assembly Plant here, and add IQ Testing Center, Racial Profiling, Business School, Wristwatch Maker, and Time Zones. On a somewhat related note, I would like to see the Assembly Plant become a prereq for more Atomic Era buildings, a role similar to Factory and Manufacturing Plant. I am debating internally whether I want to call the tech Management or Scientific Management.
Industrialism, Trench Warfare, and Fascism will require Management.
Abstract Mathematics X72, Y7. Requires Modern Lifestyle. This is the Atomic Era mathematical tech. It was around the late 19th, early 20th centuries that pure mathematics as we know it today matured as an academic discipline. I'm not sure exactly what to add here, but I am planning on several major mathematical theorems that are built as Great Wonders, such as Fermat's Last Theorem, the Godel Incompleteness Theorem, the Church-Turing Thesis (though that might fit better at Decryption Machines), and the Millennium Problems. While we're at it, it might be interesting to put some other major theorems in the game at other techs, such as the Pythagorean Theorem, the Quadratic Formula, and the Four Color Theorem. But that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
Encryption Machines requires Abstract Mathematics.
Theory of Relativity requires Abstract Mathematics instead of Modern Lifestyle. Also, Theory of Relativity is moved to X73, Y7.
Computer Science X79, Y13. Requires Early Computing, Modern Physics. We have a lot of computer techs around this time: Early Computing, Semiconductors, Microprocessor, and Personal Computers. But they all focus on hardware. The Computer Science tech would focus on software. Buildings include Software Firm, Computer Science Department, Programming Language, User Experience Research Lab, and Supercomputer. Might also call this tech Programming or Software Engineering.
Personal Computers requires Computer Science.
Postmodernism X79, Y5. Requires Pop Art, Globalization. We arguable have an overabundance of art-related techs in the Industrial and early Atomic Eras. Postmodernism would come later than the rest, and I think it is historically important enough to merit its own tech. New content includes Retreat Center, Environmental Art Studio, Portland Building.
Mass Media requires Postmodernism instead of Pop Art.
Chaos Theory X87, Y1. Requires Information Lifestyle and Climate Models. This is the Information Era mathematical tech, and a catch all for contemporary mathematics. Compared to Abstract Mathematics in the previous era, the focus is more on applications. I went with Chaos Theory because that was a branch of mathematics that captured the public imagination in the 1990s and in some ways feels appropriate for the ethos of the period. New content includes Biosphere 2, Traffic Engineering Agency, Financial Risk Monitor, ArXiv.
Communication Networks requires Chaos Theory instead of Microwaves, Satellites, Laser.
Computational Sociology X94, Y17. Requires Machine Learning, Online Community. Computational Sociology is an emerging discipline that applies quantitative methods to sociological research. Arguably there is some overlap with Media Psychology. New content includes Center for [AI/Biotech/Nanotech] Safety and Social Media Surveillance. Also, the Applied Sociology Lab is currently misplaced at Cybersociology and will be moved here. Speaking of which, I need a better sense of what the Cybersociology tech is for.
Augmented Reality, Direct Merchandizing, Megacities requires Computational Sociology.
Industrial Ecology X95, Y5. Requires Ecological Engineering, Rapid Prototyping. I'm on the fence on this one, since it comes right after Ecological Engineering and looks rather similar. But I have a lot of things I want to add around this period and the Ecological Engineering tech is getting overloaded. I see Ecological Engineering more about urban design and culture, and Industrial Ecology is more about heavy industry. New content includes Hydraulic Fracturing, Enhanced Geothermal Systems, Aquaponics Tank, Heating and Cooling District, Supercritical CO2 Turbine. Automated Waste Disposal, Generation IV Reactor, and CO2 Reservoir would be moved here, and perhaps some of the manufacturing complexes currently at Rapid Prototyping.
Megacities and Controlled Plasma require Industrial Ecology
Autonomous Vehicles X95, Y15. Rapid Prototyping and Digitization. Would replace the existing Automated Traffic tech.
Automated Traffic. Moved to X100, Y19. Requires Nanotech Lifestyle and Affective Algorithms and Megacities. Why have Autonomous Vehicles and Automated Traffic as separate techs? Again, it comes down to a growing list of new content, which is starting to be too much for one tech. AVs are about individual vehicles and refer to self-driving cars, automated tractors for farms, and automated mining systems. This is an emerging technology today. Automated Traffic is more futuristic. It refers to a traffic system where manual driving has been phased out, allowing for novel transportation system designs. I plan on adding Interlaced Intersections, Subterranean Tunnel Network (see e.g. The Boring Company), Mobile Bodega, Elevated Bicycle Track. I am still sorting out which existing buildings should go at AV and which should go at AT.
Automated Robotics and Hypersonic Flight require Automated Traffic.
Jovian Terraforming X133, Y13. Requires Ecosynthesis, Gravity Control. Using superstrong materials or some sort of active support system, we can "terraform" a gas giant by building a massive shell around it. Previously this concept was folding up in Planet Engineering, but against I want to add too much more one tech. New content includes Terraformed [Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune], Interstellar Terraformed Gas Giant. Fusion Candle will probably be moved here.
Stellar Computing requires Jovian Terraforming.
Additionally, there are a number of redundant tech prereqs in the Galactic Era that I would like to clean up.
. Deep Space Colonies requires Planetary Manufacturing
. Kuiper Belt Exploration does not require Planetary Manufacturing
. Weather Control does not require Climate Models
. Subterranean Exploration requires Advanced Shielding and Human Transmutation instead of Astro Environmental Systems and Volcanology
. Colony Arcology requires Sentient Earth, rather than Shielding and Organic Cities
. Drop Advanced Shielding and Planetary Manufacturing from Launch Arcology requirements
. Astroecology requires only Galactic Lifestyle
. Attometer Nanomorphism requires Cultural Evolution instead of Nanotroids
. Teleportation requires Interstellar Communication instead of Quantum Computing
. Weaponized Disintegration does not require Solar Ordnance
. Weaponized Gravity Fields does not require Advanced Warmachines
. Weaponized Antimatter requires Star Lifting instead of Weaponized Disintegration
. Astroimperialism does not require Interstellar Communication
. Picotechnology does not require Teleportation
. Wormhole Traversal does not require Teleportation
I will conclude with some general thoughts on the future tech tree. Right now I am dissatisfied with a few things in how the Galactic Era works. There is a gap between Interstellar Travel and Interstellar Colonization to capture the travel time of the first interstellar journeys, which are likely to be around a century. I like that, but the gap might be too long. By the same token, the portion of Galactic Era after Interstellar Colonization feels a bit compressed, and I would like to have another column or two to work with. Fortunately there are a couple columns in the early Galactic Era without much content, so it should be possible to shift things around without disrupting the other eras.
Another issue is that, to the fullest extent possible, I want to have all speculative physics be in the Cosmic and Transcendent Eras. There are tons of great concepts for colonizing the galaxy and even neighboring galaxies using only established physics, but they get spoiled when wormholes, warp drives, and time travel are available. Perhaps Intergalactic Colonization and Wormhole Communications could both be in the first column of the Cosmic Era. Moving those things forward would give us more room in the Galactic Era to build out great astroengineering works. There are also various gravity manipulation techs in the Transhuman and Galactic Eras, which are also speculative physics, and those are tricky to deal with.
All these changes would require a lot of careful rearranging of the existing content, so this would be a major project and I don't have a clear plan yet.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I like most of these although cybersociology sounds like maybe the same thing... not sure. Hydro may know better on thst one.
Please just wait til rerelease is done before committing this.
Please just wait til rerelease is done before committing this.
Neat 12 new techs 
What about Global Governance tech?
This tech is currently dummied out and requires Globalization.
This tech was in limbo for eternity.
It is to emulate solving international/global problems.
So maybe +1 to trade routes and +1 happiness?
Also it would make all civs to be always in contact with civ, that researched global governance.
If you move techs to other Xgrid, then buildings unlocked by it, if this tech is more expensive prereq for them, should be recosted if they are Earth buildings.
What about Global Governance tech?
This tech is currently dummied out and requires Globalization.
This tech was in limbo for eternity.
It is to emulate solving international/global problems.
So maybe +1 to trade routes and +1 happiness?
Also it would make all civs to be always in contact with civ, that researched global governance.
If you move techs to other Xgrid, then buildings unlocked by it, if this tech is more expensive prereq for them, should be recosted if they are Earth buildings.
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pepper2000
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I'll sit tight for now.
Cybersociology is at the end of the Nanotech Era, a full era ahead of where I plan Computational Sociology. I think Cybersociology is more about humans and AIs living together and it is definitely a different thing.
It would be interesting to bring Global Governance back. Then the Globalization tech would be more for economics and trade. It used to be active in the game but I think depended on having Diplomatic Victory enabled. Not sure what happened, so I left it alone.
Cybersociology is at the end of the Nanotech Era, a full era ahead of where I plan Computational Sociology. I think Cybersociology is more about humans and AIs living together and it is definitely a different thing.
It would be interesting to bring Global Governance back. Then the Globalization tech would be more for economics and trade. It used to be active in the game but I think depended on having Diplomatic Victory enabled. Not sure what happened, so I left it alone.
Well Global Governance is completely unused.
Code:
<TechInfo>
<Type>TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE</Type>
<Description>TXT_KEY_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE</Description>
<Civilopedia>TXT_KEY_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE_PEDIA</Civilopedia>
<Strategy>TXT_KEY_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE_STRATEGY</Strategy>
<Advisor>ADVISOR_ECONOMY</Advisor>
<iAITradeModifier>10</iAITradeModifier>
<iCost>5500</iCost>
<Era>ERA_MODERN</Era>
<iAsset>40</iAsset>
<iPower>10</iPower>
<bTrade>1</bTrade>
<bDisable>1</bDisable>
<iGridX>-1</iGridX>
<iGridY>-1</iGridY>
<Flavors>
<Flavor>
<FlavorType>FLAVOR_MILITARY</FlavorType>
<iFlavor>3</iFlavor>
</Flavor>
<Flavor>
<FlavorType>FLAVOR_GOLD</FlavorType>
<iFlavor>2</iFlavor>
</Flavor>
<Flavor>
<FlavorType>FLAVOR_SCIENCE</FlavorType>
<iFlavor>7</iFlavor>
</Flavor>
</Flavors>
<AndPreReqs>
<PrereqTech>TECH_GLOBALIZATION</PrereqTech>
</AndPreReqs>
<Quote>TXT_KEY_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE_QUOTE</Quote>
<Sound>AS2D_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE</Sound>
<SoundMP>AS2D_TECH_GLOBAL_GOVERNANCE</SoundMP>
<Button>Art/Interface/Buttons/TechTree/GlobalNetwork.dds</Button>
</TechInfo>There is no trace of this tech in python and c++ files.
As for XML it is treated as ordinary tech, that isn't used.
This tech was unmentioned since 2012 not counting my posts.
This tech was already dead when C2C was created.
It appears this tech was dead in ROM:AND and was forgotten in original ROM.
Basically it was stillbirth and nothing related to diplomatic victory.
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Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I like these. I have plans for Statistics and Disease, in particular Cholera!
Germ Theory of medicine would require Statistics.
Germ Theory of medicine would require Statistics.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I would have assumed by the name alone that it meant more like what you described for your tech so perhaps Cybersocietal integration should be the name of the current Cybersociology tech instead?
Personally, I'd like to see a few different KINDS of global governance. For now, sure, but if you think about it, no matter what, some new ways to go about a global scale government would be necessary and there's a few different ways it could be done, from mind control to massive social controls to regional divisions of limited autonomy to an absolute neurological connectivity etc... Future civics are a total playground of ideas that have yet to be harnessed properly.
I didn't found anything like that in code.
All references of global governance were leading to tech in xml.
I have notepad++ so I can search for things in all files.
It doesn't exist in vanilla civ4.
And its simply Diplomatic Victory if you meant victory condition itself.
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pepper2000
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Lots of interesting ideas there. We have polystate, noocracy, and gerontocracy in the later eras. What else should we consider?
The enormous selection of civics already allows one to role-play pretty much all those types of governance which is a big plus! But I understand your concern, maybe there should be a new civic category that unlocks after Global Governance is researched to represent different unified societal directions/goals? Something akin to philosophies from Spore or the ethics of Fallen Empires from Stellaris.
To brainstorm a few:
- Inquisitive Explorers – This civilization has the goal to learn everything there is to know in the universe(?).
science and 
culture production. Think of this as the Federation in Star Trek. 
- Everlasting Consumers – This civilization has the goal to convert all the matter in the universe(?) into something useful.
hammer and 
food production. A common trope and a probable path humanity (or its successors) could take if the universe is indeed devoid of advanced, intelligent (and extant) alien life.- Fierce Dominators – This civilization has the goal to be the dominant life-form in the universe(?).
unit production and experience. Think of the Ur-Quan from Star Control.(?) – Not sure if we'd use universe or something else.
The advantage is that these wouldn't go into conflict with the genetic and mechanical augmentation paths a non spacefaring civilization can take, and is even compatible very-late game when a civilization is comprised of ethereal, god-like beings (or a single mechanical/biological/psionic consciousness).
It would work in tandem with other civics so you could very well role play as a totalitarian, mind controlling empire where people are cogs in the machine that is keen on peaceful exploration or a post-scarcity, completely egalitarian society where every people is important that is hellbent on universal domination.
EDIT: Some alterations to designations.
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While you can't unlock civic category you can put civic, that doesn't do anything on beginning of game and then unlock rest of them on global governance.The enormous selection of civics already allows one to role-play pretty much all those types of governance which is a big plus! But I understand your concern, maybe there should be a new civic category that unlocks after Global Governance is researched to represent different unified societal directions/goals? Something akin to philosophies from Spore or the ethics of Fallen Empires from Stellaris.
To brainstorm a few:
Bonuses to
- Inquisitive Explorers – This civilization has the goal to learn everything there is to know in the universe(?).
Bonuses to
- Everlasting Consumers – This civilization has the goal to convert all the matter in the universe(?) into something useful to them.
Bonuses to
- Fervent Exterminators – This civilization has the goal to be the dominant life-form in the universe(?).
(?) – Not sure if we'd use universe or something else.
The advantage is that these wouldn't go into conflict with the genetic and mechanical augmentation paths a non spacefaring civilization can take, and is even compatible very-late game when a civilization is comprised of ethereal, god-like beings (or a single mechanical/biological/psionic consciousness).
It would work in tandem with other civics so you could very well role play as a totalitarian, mind controlling empire where people are cogs in the machine that is keen on peaceful exploration or a post-scarcity, completely egalitarian society where every people is important that is hellbent on universal domination.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
A fair point.
As for brainstorming, if I get some inspiration I'll make sure to post some. I'm just thinking that it would be nearly impossible to control almost all mankind until certain technologies allow for it, and even then some forms of governing wouldn't even seek to so much. People may actually have to evolve into more peaceful and cooperative social animals with the goal of providing for all to maintain a decent future under one national identity. We either have to all go far into the light from where we are now, or fall into absolute titanium fisted tyranny. The somewhere in between is probably unsustainable. I guess it would take some Rev interaction to show that.
LumenAngel
King
A up about tech tree.. Is it normal Mechanized Warfare is a dead end? I m late Information Era, and still don't need it for anything. It should at least be a req for Modern Warfare
Looks like I didn't clear properly redundancy there.
Logistics now require Mechanized and Amphibious Warfare.
It used to have Mass Transit (already required by its prereqs) and two warfare techs as its prereqs.
Now it is fixed.
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