Term 1 ~ Judiciary : Interpereting the Great Experiment!

[Black_Hole]

Here is who has ruled on the JRs

JR 4
CJ

JR 5 High Priority!!!
CJ
PD

JR 6
PD
CJ

JR 7
CJ

Links here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2624429&postcount=139

 

[YNCS]

I would like to propose an amendment to the Constitution, Article D, Section 2. My proposed amendment would read (change is in bold):

2. Vice President - Assistant to the President. This is an elected office. He/she may take over the President's tasks when the President is absent. If the President should be removed from office for any reason the Vice President will then take the position of President and appoint a Vice President. The Vice President must be approved by a majority of the consuls, if the Vice President is appointed mid-term.

 

[Black_Hole]

I would like to propose an amendment to the Constitution, Article D, Section 2. My proposed amendment would read (change is in bold):

Please start a discussion in the citizen forum first

 

[Provolution]

I posted a legal discussion on trimming down the number of elected and non-elected offices in the CoC. Basically, that deleted the VP function altogether.

 

[DaveShack]

1. The Judiciary is charged with ensuring that any new laws and ammendments to the constitution are not contradictory. Yet they are unable to rectify contradictions retrospectively.

This might be a misconception. One of the two main purposes of the judiciary is to determine if there are conflicts between existing articles and laws, and if conflicts exist to rule over which has precedence. (the other main purpose being to handle citizen complaints alleging breaches of the law) The result of a Judicial Review does not change the text of the law itself, but it does form a lasting interpretation of the contradiction which can be used as precedent for future decisions.

 

[Black_Hole]

Paging The Judge Advocate, wait we dont have pagers.
Throws a rock at the Judge Advocate:
Could you please rule on the JRs?

 

[Chieftess]

Paging The Judge Advocate, wait we dont have pagers.

But we do have ram horns.

 

[DaveShack]

Have a look at the absence registry.

 

[Black_Hole]

Have a look at the absence registry.

oh, umm well...

 

[blackheart]

I'm willing to be replacement judge

 

[Black_Hole]

I'm willing to be replacement judge

sorry, pro term justices arent defined in the CoL or Constitution. So it wouldnt be legal for you to rule on JRs

 

[Ashburnham]

Yeah, um, oops...

Sorry, gents, I got caught up with nonsense on the home front and had to turn away from the magic of the internet for a few days. But, have no fear, I'm back and ready to do some Judiciating.

 

[Ashburnham]

Since I put forth this JR in the first place, I felt it better to wait for as many opinions as possible before putting down my ruling. And, as one would assume, my decision will go along with what the majority of people seem to be saying.

Conclusion
In the game of Rock, Paper, Scissors that is our legal system, the Constitution cuts the CoL. Vice Presidents must be confirmed by a consul vote if they are appointed midterm.

Also, as others have suggested, I strongly urge citizens to propose amendments that will take care of some of the rough spots in our legal framework.

 

[Ashburnham]

Well, it's not actually a JR, but I approve of the proposed legislation anyway.

 

[Ashburnham]

I just realized I can tackle two JR's in the same post. I suppose I should also apologize for the quadruple-post, but I've got a bit of catching up to do.

In short, I approve of the proposed legislation in both JR#6 and #7.

 

[Black_Hole]

I will get caught up tomorrow and post the poll... Sorry I have lots of math homework

 

[ravensfire]

My apologies for a long delay due to illness. I'm still not over it, so things will be much shorter.

Consolidated JR post #1!

JR#4

As the others have stated, the Constitution trumps the Code of Laws. Therefore, should the VP be a mid-term appointment, they must be confirmed by a council vote.

JR#7

I find that this proposed legislation does not conflict with any current laws.

-- Ravensfire, Public Defender

 

[Black_Hole]

Unfortunately, unless this poll:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=114978
Gets 2 votes in 15 minutes, then we have to redo the polling... We cannot move onto other legislation until we have some article allowing CoL changes.

I believe this should wait until next term, discussion can start soon, however I believe the JR should not be filed till next term...

edit: It was passed

 

[Black_Hole]

Juristiction of JR#6 and #7 will be passed onto the Term 2 Court. I will have a judicial log entry for JR#5 soon.(Tomorrow, probably)

 

[ravensfire]

Chief Justice Black_Hole,

JR #5 was two seperate actions. Am I correct in determining that one part (the Constitutional Amendments) failed, and the second (CoL Amendments) passed? In either case, would you post a final comment in each detailing the ending vote code, the votes needed and the result of the poll?

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire