Term 3 - Election for President

[blackheart]

I din't say you didn't post a summary, CT. Someone is suggesting we create a new position to take this over, and I replied "It's the DP's job."

One job that appears to be too much for the DP. That's why I suggested we create a new position. I know the responsibilities of the DP.

 

[Black_Hole]

One job that appears to be too much for the DP. That's why I suggested we create a new position. I know the responsibilities of the DP.

im just saying how good could u document the game if u didnt play it or werent at the chat?

 

[Chieftess]

There's no law that says how detailed a summary has to be. Had you wanted it more detailed, you should've said so.

 

[Black_Hole]

There's no law that says how detailed a summary has to be. Had you wanted it more detailed, you should've said so.

i just did, i was not complaing on this one ct, it was just a suggestion

 

[MSTK]

The summary should be detailed enough that a person would acquire the same information had he had been in the turnchat, without the spam, chit-chat, and interactivity.

 

[Provolution]

Well, the above discussion proves my point it is time to leave the game for my own interest, and I hope people really understand what has killed the interest as of lately.
The many uncontested positions is a sympthom that something has gone seriusly wrong.
I will not put any blame here, but I can see which centers of gravity which has brought this around.

 

[Chieftess]

Prov - there've been uncontested positions in the past (mostly in governor threads). Even DG1 and DG2 had its' share of uncontested positions.

 

[Cyc]

Uh, no. IMHO there are uncontested positions because people are aware that some candidates recruit like 30 people from all over the CFC forums to come vote for them and then leave. What's the point in running if there is an unseen, unproductive, and unaccountable constituency to deal with? People should be voted in by knowledgeable citizens who play the game, not someone's fan club or people who are looking for favors.

 

[Provolution]

Good point Cyc, and to add to that, is the pre-established voting blocs that gives certain veteran candidates a major pool of ready votes to take from. Newbees need to write long and hard in order to get the critical mass of votes in order to compete with an incumbent. Maybe we could have a maximum 2 terms in a row limit in order to avoid the tear and wear of the DG and to assure a steady flow of new players.

Maybe we should change to a congressional model rather than a grassroots model.
Anyways, the grassroots model requires bigger volumes of people.
This may convince me to have public polling also in the elections, and even introduce party politics under organized standards to create some fair and structured competititon of doctrinal ideas. Right now, the piecemeal model we have now generate
short term populist plans that only last for the next turnchat and people lose perspective.

By the way, I never recruited any votes from other forums.

 

[Ashburnham]

Speaking as a newcomer, I think political parties would only entrench the position of the incumbents. It's much harder to advance in a party system than without one. I can point to the success of someone like MOTH, a citizen for little over a month who has already gained public office and the recognition of his peers.

Personally, I think some are choosing to focus on the negativity of a few select people and ignoring the vast majority of DG players who are here-- maybe not making too much of an impact, but still enjoying their "citizenship".

 

[MOTH]

I agree with Ashburnham. Parties would make it more difficult for a vocal active newbie to get into position.

I also don't think there are any real voting blocks. If you take the time to look through the polls, you will notice that CT is hardly ever with the majority.

If you look at polls from widely separated subjects, you will also notice that different people vote differently on different subjects. You will notice tendencies that vocal people's ideas are often accepted in the polls - this is the nature of 'lobbying'.

Personally, I have done some "get out the vote" type of messages (both forum and PM) to people that I thought would vote my way. I didn't tell them how to vote, just pointed out a poll in a subject I thought they would be interested in.

Did anyone 'recruit' me. Yes. While I was lurking I say CT's messages on the front in the web site and I saw various people with DG adverts in their sigs. Does this encourage me to vote with the veterans. No way. I vote what I think is the best course of action.

I do like the idea of 'platforms' and 'term goals' for a position. The constitution states that leaders determine the WOTP though 'discussions and polls'. Not everything has to be polled. Especially if a 'mandate' is established by the WOTP (by polls and discussions) at the start of a term.

 

[Cyc]

And we're glad you stayed, MOTH. By your continued cotributions, you have advanced the game. That's great. You're not one of the people I referred to. You are an active member of the Demogame. You, like Provolution and others, achieved a government postion of Leadership right away. Why? Because you voted and left until you were required to vote again? NO. Because you chose to become active and verbal about your beliefs in the game. That's the reason that the citizens of the Demogame decided to have some kind of announcement on the CFC main page. CT was the appropriate conduit as she was a Moderator - close ties with ThunderFall.

About the voting blocks, I'm so glad that Public Polling has allowed us to see the consistancies in the polls. It has let the issues side of polling evolve into honest decision making. Now we just need to work on the Election side of polling.

I have always been against political parties in the Demogame, as they are more devisive than anything else. We do not need to separate the people, we need to bring them together. What we do need are individual platforms. Each person should have their own political platform to work from, not just say vote for me because I'm me. That's where the game needs work.

 

[MOTH]

About the voting blocks, I'm so glad that Public Polling has allowed us to see the consistancies in the polls. It has let the issues side of polling evolve into honest decision making. Now we just need to work on the Election side of polling.

It would be nice if we could see who voted in the Elections even if they remained private (a semi-private poll?).

As it is now, there is nothing to stop anyone from registering a bunch of CFC usernames and voting themself into office. We could at least cross check the voting list against the DG citizen registry.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

If someone wants to share, they will, if they don't, they won't.

That's semi-private.

And yes, those little reminder PMs help...I would know...hehe.

 

[ravensfire]

There has been a great deal of speculation about invalid votes. Have we ever asked the mods to look at a suspected election and verify that all voters are valid?

And remember, our standards of citizenship are that you've registered in the citizen registry thread. There are no participation requirements. None. If a person gets 10 friends to register as citizens, and those people ONLY vote for that person - nothing wrong as been done. Nothing. Unethical - perhaps, but no law has been broken. Please do not disenfranchise lurkers over a witch hunt.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Chieftess]

Uh, no. IMHO there are uncontested positions because people are aware that some candidates recruit like 30 people from all over the CFC forums to come vote for them and then leave. What's the point in running if there is an unseen, unproductive, and unaccountable constituency to deal with? People should be voted in by knowledgeable citizens who play the game, not someone's fan club or people who are looking for favors.

What makes you think I recruit 30+ people to vote for me? Are you accusing me of vote scamming? Besides, Thunderfall can always check who voted.

 

[Cyc]

There has been a great deal of speculation about invalid votes. Have we ever asked the mods to look at a suspected election and verify that all voters are valid?
-- Ravensfire

Why yes, we have. In the first Term elections, the Military Advisor elections were turned over to the High-level Mods (ThunderFall maybe). They went back far enough in the ballots to find a Double-Logon User who voted for a second time. This ended the search for invalid votes and a new poll was brought up for that election.

 

[Civanator]

Chieftess, no offense, but no one has directed any hostilities to you for a bit. Just calm down. After Cyc said 'Uh, no,' he went on to make a general, not to bash you. I think we all need to cool off.

 

[Black_Hole]

There has been a great deal of speculation about invalid votes. Have we ever asked the mods to look at a suspected election and verify that all voters are valid?

And remember, our standards of citizenship are that you've registered in the citizen registry thread. There are no participation requirements. None. If a person gets 10 friends to register as citizens, and those people ONLY vote for that person - nothing wrong as been done. Nothing. Unethical - perhaps, but no law has been broken. Please do not disenfranchise lurkers over a witch hunt.

-- Ravensfire

but, as you just stated somone with 0 posts cant be a citizen because they never posted in the registry. mods might be able to see the posts ip address on the post, i think most of the ppl that we are calling invalid are these people who have 0 votes and register for the forum(not the game) just to vote for someone

 

[ravensfire]

Why yes, we have. In the first Term elections, the Military Advisor elections were turned over to the High-level Mods (ThunderFall maybe). They went back far enough in the ballots to find a Double-Logon User who voted for a second time. This ended the search for invalid votes and a new poll was brought up for that election.

That check was for DL's only - we still haven't had a full check of all voters to determine if they are, indeed, citizens.

but, as you just stated somone with 0 posts cant be a citizen because they never posted in the registry. mods might be able to see the posts ip address on the post, i think most of the ppl that we are calling invalid are these people who have 0 votes and register for the forum(not the game) just to vote for someone

That is correct. I would request that the mods work with TF to get a full list of voters in either the most recent election cycle or several "suspicious" elections, and vet that list against the citizen registry. It's a pain, it's time-consuming, but it's the only way to put for rest, one way or the other, this arguement.

-- Ravensfire