Term 4 - Military Office: Sir Camel-lot

[Chieftess]

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Military Advisor - Chieftess
Military Deputy - Sarevok

Goals:

1 - To have complete control of the northern part of our continent.
2 - To wipe out Babylon and Russia.
3 - Plan for a possible control of the continent and surrounding islands based on citizen input.
4 - To acquire a monopoly on English Silk.

 

[Chieftess]

Current Military Discussions:

Defense of Mure
Military Cities Plan
Egyptian War & War Plans
Manifest Destiny
After Egypt, what do we do?
Army Re-organization

Past Discussions:

 

[Sarevok]

Reserved

 

[F4FWildcat]

So your not having Operational Planners, Chieftess?

 

[Sarevok]

I think it was most likely an innefective thing, I believe though that you can still post in military discussions and show your abilities and get the same results that would have been achieved though that position I created.

 

[Chieftess]

You can still post plans if you want, and if I like them, I'll see what I can do it them.

 

[Sarevok]

Indeed, consider this department "open" to ideas from the citizenry, though do not count on all of the plans being used as posted, but they may be used in some form or another. It also dosent hurt to have a backup plan

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
Indeed, consider this department "open" to ideas from the citizenry, though do not count on all of the plans being used as posted, but they may be used in some form or another. It also dosent hurt to have a backup plan

Here's an idea:

Let's have the military leader and deputy not attend the game play sessions. I am quite disturbed by the military leader's posted instructions:

Military Instructions

Gonna be general on this one (setting up a new computer today. Might not be at the turnchat).

1 - Keep our current garrisons as they are.
2 - If any new pikes are built, move them to cities that are garrisoned by (in this order: warrior, archer, horseman, spear).

3 - If I'm not at the turnchat, Sarevok will be in charge.

It is item number three that I find so offensive. It should matter not whether the military leader or deputy are present at the chat - since they are not supposed to be making decisions on the fly during the game play session! Military orders are to be devised - after consulting the people via the forums and then posted in the game play instruction thread well before the game play session for all to see.

I formally ask the miltary department to refrain from making decisions during game play!

 

[Noldodan]

Originally posted by donsig
I formally ask the miltary department to refrain from making decisions during game play!

Donsig, I think that the point of that instruction was that if the advice of the Military Dept. was asked for at the turnchat, Sarevok would have the authority of the Minister in that advising.

 

[Chieftess]

Yes, what Nolodan said. So, if it doesn't matter whether or not we come to the turnchat (and I know you don't like turnchats), then what's the point of deputies then? Let's just have a 5 official system then.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Noldodan


Donsig, I think that the point of that instruction was that if the advice of the Military Dept. was asked for at the turnchat, Sarevok would have the authority of the Minister in that advising.

One does not need to hold an elected office in order to give advice. My point is that it matters not whether the minister was present or the deputy for anything thing either has to say during the game play session is merely advice and carries no authority what so ever. Ergo, the minister's posted instruction was spurious. (I learned that word from Shaitan long ago. )

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Chieftess
Yes, what Nolodan said. So, if it doesn't matter whether or not we come to the turnchat (and I know you don't like turnchats), then what's the point of deputies then? Let's just have a 5 official system then.

My dear Lady, the point of having deputies is to ensure legally binding department instructions can be posted in the game play instruction thread if the Minister is unable to do so.

As for my not liking turnchats, your statement is untrue. I actually like them and enjoyed quite a few as DP, leader or deputy or as a mere citizen. What I do not like is the pressuring of the DP that goes on at the chats. It is an easy thing to do and I have been guilty of it myself, hence my current absence from them. Unfortunately, my self imposed exile from the chats, combined with my refusal to download the save all the time, really means I am unable to participate in the game to a great extent since our leaders still do not get game play information posted on the forums for all to discuss!

 

[Sarevok]

there is hardly anyone left anymore to discuss them anymore anyways. My discussions I held when I was Minister were barely looked at, some not at all. There is no real discussion going on at all, so we figure why put them up if no one will care?

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
there is hardly anyone left anymore to discuss them anymore anyways. My discussions I held when I was Minister were barely looked at, some not at all. There is no real discussion going on at all, so we figure why put them up if no one will care?

Well, with the restrictive ruleset, the all powerful chat sessions and no way for a person not a) at the chats and/or b) not downloading the save to know what's going on, there is really no way to participate in the game.

I do not have time to look at every post in every thread in the DG forums and there isn't a place where even the basic game information is available for one to peruse. Heck, I don't even know what government we're in! We've had a war or two and I don't know how they started. Every now and then there's a poll posted but I find it difficult to vote in those because they're structured so that one must really be looking at the save after every chat in order to vote intelligently. The discussion threads are much the same. There's one about now concerning a war with Babylon. There's no background info other than the fact that some Babylonians passed though our lands to attack Germany. Not one iota about our military strength, not one map to show the situation, no data on what Babylon has, etc. Fortunately Rik Meleet pointed out that we don't have gunpowder...

 

[Sarevok]

Well, what do you suggest then to make the game more open and more informative without looking at the save? Id like to hear it as "attendance" is a severe problem with the DG.

 

[tao]

We built the first galley in Cabaret Voltaire (and soon the 2nd is finished) with the intent to block the sea passage at Raven's Flight. This would significantly prolong AI ship journeys.

Regrettably, the 1st galley moved north. Please will you reconsider the intention of Audiac Province for your next turnchat instructions?

Audiac will also build a settler next turnchat to claim incense from Greece. Thus at least one (much better 2) ships are needed at Raven's Flight.

Btw: Once we know astronomy (and maybe have Leonardo's) the galleys should be upgraded in Huntington's harbor.

PS: Audiac also very much would like to have a stronger garrison in some of its cities. May I suggest to move the horseman to a city with barracks and send a knight instead. Same with some warriors.

PPS: We need a strong escort for the settler and workers moving to the incense. Preferred would be 2 knights plus 2 pikes/muskets.

 

[Chieftess]

ok, will do that this coming turnchat. We are starting to have a nice supply line of knights rolling in.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
Well, what do you suggest then to make the game more open and more informative without looking at the save? Id like to hear it as "attendance" is a severe problem with the DG.

We need one thread (not a discussion thread) where citizens can go to get an overview of what's going on. Maybe there is one already and I just don't know about it...

 

[Noldodan]

Originally posted by donsig
Well, with the restrictive ruleset, the all powerful chat sessions and no way for a person not a) at the chats and/or b) not downloading the save to know what's going on, there is really no way to participate in the game.

Donsig, is it too much to ask that people take 10 minutes every three or four days to look at the save if they want to participate?

 

[Sarevok]

there is that option as well...