Term 6 - Embassy to APO

The reason I left this game was because we were not a fine, proud, self-sustaining power. We were always asking others what to do. Always being told what to do. Being told where the border would be drawn - even if it was unfair. And we would always take it sitting.

You should not ask Poly if we should raze or keep the cities. You should tell them what Fanatikou plans on doing, and then get their input on it. But in the end you must make this nation independant! Let this nation choose it's own path. If we are not ready to land,(I agree with DZ) then we should not. I realized I was in the minority in my thinking and long away decided to keep quiet. But this is truly disappointing. Taking orders, and asking for orders from a foreign power.
 
Goonie said:
The reason I left this game was because we were not a fine, proud, self-sustaining power. We were always asking others what to do. Always being told what to do. Being told where the border would be drawn - even if it was unfair. And we would always take it sitting.

You should not ask Poly if we should raze or keep the cities. You should tell them what Fanatikou plans on doing, and then get their input on it. But in the end you must make this nation independant! Let this nation choose it's own path. If we are not ready to land,(I agree with DZ) then we should not. I realized I was in the minority in my thinking and long away decided to keep quiet. But this is truly disappointing. Taking orders, and asking for orders from a foreign power.
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I do want more independance from APO, we do seam like just a worker for them. But in this war we need cooperation, and APO has better generals that can help us, after all, they are doing most the the attacking.

If you want to change it you should participate more, every citizen count.

Frankly, I will say it again, this war is not going to work, but I must do the will of the people and plan this.
 
Then do just that my friend. Plan it. Create an old school plan with good details. Work with our Generals. We have some top notch ones. Pick one city in GCA close to the GWT border(if that is possible. I have not seen maps). Hopefully this will accomplish both goals of creating panic among GWT and you can raze or keep some GCA cities.

Fanatikou should make a plan, and Fanatikou should present it to APO, and take suggestions and advise, but that is all.

My days as an active member here are gone. I no longer even vote.
 
Hi Goonie. :)


The problem is that we have only some 5 really active citizens, most are lurking. :(

That's why we are consulting the Poly guys at times.
 
I will advise the turn player 2 things:

#1 Do not land, APO wants to cordinate the attack times, and will get back to me in 3 or 4 days about when we should attack

#2 Stay away from the shores, we don't want GWT or GCA to see us.
 
A chat log:

Session Start: Fri Sep 10 00:00:00 2004
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[16:17:42] Aidun Hi
[16:18:31] EMP_CFC hey
[16:18:34] EMP_CFC I got some news
[16:18:42] EMP_CFC we know where we will attack
[16:30:23] EMP_CFC We should probably hit CGA's Pune and the cut the road GWT uses to get those wines. Then we can attack that GWT wine city. But we need to knock out GCA's Pune to open up neutral territory. If we take the city, we should probably raze it.
[16:30:28] EMP_CFC there we go
[16:33:08] EMP_CFC that you think?
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[17:23:08] EMP_CFC anyone?
[17:23:19] BigFree hi there
[17:23:23] EMP_CFC hey
[17:23:28] EMP_CFC I got a plan down for the invasion
[17:23:33] BigFree cool
[17:23:42] BigFree if only the turn would move along now
[17:23:45] EMP_CFC We should probably hit CGA's Pune and the cut the road GWT uses to get those wines. Then we can attack that GWT wine city. But we need to knock out GCA's Pune to open up neutral territory. If we take the city, we should probably raze it.
[17:25:16] BigFree I think that's a good plan. I know a few of my team mates think it's better to go after the heart of GWT but I'm not as sure as they are. Ultimately, it's for you guys to decide. Besides, GAC is never a "bad" target! :D
[17:25:33] BigFree *GCA
[17:26:34] EMP_CFC well, I think we will invade next turn
[17:26:41] EMP_CFC but not 100% sure
[17:27:43] BigFree ok, I will relay that information. If it's possible that we would like for you to delay a turn or two can you guys do that?
[17:28:33] EMP_CFC I think I can puswade my team too, but I need exact num,bers
[17:29:55] BigFree cool
[17:30:16] BigFree too bad that we have time to do that
[17:31:10] EMP_CFC well how much timne do you think yo need
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[17:31:33] BigFree I don't know yet
[17:31:42] BigFree we were going to sail up North a bit further
[17:32:03] BigFree I figure we could make a ty for a landing in about 4 turns
[17:32:27] EMP_CFC so you want to invade at the same time?
[17:32:36] BigFree Yes, or just one turn after
[17:32:48] EMP_CFC ok so you guys will go first
[17:32:49] EMP_CFC ?
[17:32:50] Trip ideally you guys land before us
[17:32:54] BigFree get them moving in one direction, then force them in another
[17:32:54] Trip no
[17:33:00] Trip we may not even be able to land at all
[17:33:04] Trip because they have so many units
[17:33:07] Trip they could block off every single tile
[17:33:13] Trip which is why you guys should land first
[17:33:17] BigFree yep
[17:33:22] Trip that would help open up spots for us to land as well
[17:33:33] Trip landing closer to GWT's core is more likely to do damage to them as well as draw them away so that WE can land
[17:33:37] Trip doing even more damage
[17:34:13] BigFree I disagree with that, but anyways....
[17:34:25] EMP_CFC r free what is yuor position in apo's goverment
[17:34:25] Trip disagree with what? :P
[17:34:28] BigFree I think GWT is commited to preserving GCA
[17:34:42] BigFree I will be a Consul in a day or two
[17:34:45] Trip which do you think is more important to GWT, a few GCA cities or Leo's in a size 12 city of their own?
[17:34:54] Trip in other words, he speaks for no one but himself ;)
[17:35:05] EMP_CFC and trip what do you do
[17:35:13] Trip I post a lot
[17:35:29] EMP_CFC lol, but no goverment spot?
[17:35:38] Trip nope
[17:35:38] BigFree I think that there will be less than a 1% chance that a Leo's strike will be successful
[17:35:40] Trip too busy
[17:35:54] Trip THAT depends on how much of the GWT army is over by us
[17:36:10] BigFree Trip, they do not know where we are now
[17:36:16] Trip they know we're nearby
[17:36:22] BigFree They could assume we've moved South
[17:36:26] Trip they aren't going to leave all of the sudden
[17:36:31] BigFree no, they wont
[17:36:36] Trip yeah, so they can protect 3 precious isolated GCA cities instead of their FP :P
[17:36:54] BigFree but, they could have enough to cover all tiles AND enouh to take on 10 Riders on the other side
[17:37:06] EMP_CFC I don't mean to be rude, but I need an offical announcment from APO on what you think will be best, or we will have to do it ourselves, and you don't want me leading an attack :p
[17:37:09] Trip attacking GCA won't do any real damage anyways
[17:37:13] BigFree HAHA
[17:37:25] Trip Emp: problem is that we have, oh, -2 active officials
[17:37:33] BigFree I will have something "offcial" as far as Apolyton's position in 4 days
[17:37:49] BigFree I will condust an offcial poll
[17:37:59] EMP_CFC ok good, thank you
[17:38:01] BigFree something the current leadership is not doing
[17:38:21] Trip you're not allowed to badtalk the current regime ;)
[17:38:24] BigFree Most of them are withou the time needed
[17:38:25] EMP_CFC but the plan where we are attacking in GCA looks good right?
[17:38:26] Trip not in front of strangers :P
[17:38:39] Trip Emp: to be honest, most people at Apolyton disagree with that move
[17:38:40] BigFree For me, it does
[17:38:45] Trip BF is in the minority
[17:38:49] EMP_CFC no badtalk? you meana dictorship :p
[17:38:50] Trip which he'll admit to if he's honest ;)
[17:38:56] BigFree HAHA
[17:39:06] BigFree Yeah, some of my ideas fall in the minority
[17:39:09] EMP_CFC well we are attacvking GCA no matter what
[17:39:11] EMP_CFC :p
[17:39:16] Trip then why do you care what we think?
[17:39:17] BigFree then again, mst of my teamamtes are conservative
[17:39:40] EMP_CFC I want to know how we can cooperatie with APo and qwhen we should attack
[17:39:44] Trip bah
[17:39:52] Trip we should have let GCA wipe you out with their 5 units :P
[17:40:07] BigFree The main reason I want a GCA attack is that I feel it will draw as many GWt troops to GCA as would a direct assault on GWT
[17:40:20] EMP_CFC 5 units? I never knew it was that close
[17:40:29] Trip yeah
[17:40:32] Trip until we launched our attack with 50
[17:40:34] EMP_CFC I was not around back during the first GCA war
[17:40:44] Trip which was my plan :P
[17:40:52] Trip if you want to draw GWT forces away...
[17:40:58] Trip then you should land somewhere protected
[17:41:01] Trip that's important to them
[17:41:11] Trip they can basically ignore most of GCA because all of that can be easily rebuilt
[17:41:16] BigFree That's my point Trip...GCA IS important to GWT
[17:41:21] Trip not as important as Leo's
[17:41:24] Trip or Sistine
[17:41:27] Trip and the cities they're in
[17:41:32] Trip find a mountain
[17:41:36] Trip land 12 units on it
[17:41:43] BigFree No, ofcourse not, but I thinkthey will designat just as many trops to defend them
[17:41:45] Trip even if you don't move from there they'll cost GWT MANY units
[17:41:52] Trip either they'll attack and die
[17:41:55] Trip or they'll be tied up
[17:42:03] Trip even just SITTING near Leo's will do more than attacking GCA will
[17:42:14] Trip there's a couple mountains nearby
[17:42:18] Trip fortify on there
[17:42:20] EMP_CFC slow down trip, too fast
[17:42:21] EMP_CFC :p
[17:42:22] Trip Muskets have defense of 10
[17:42:25] Trip Riders of 8
[17:42:29] BigFree If they can find a spot...remeber our landing?
[17:42:32] Trip it will cost GWT at least 20 units to take them down
[17:42:47] Trip BF: GWT has to sacrifice defense SOMEWHERE
[17:43:01] Trip if GWT knows CFC is also in the vacinity...
[17:43:10] Trip setting up a unit wall on both east and west will use up more than they have
[17:43:10] BigFree If CFC tries to land up near GWT, and they can't, then what?
[17:43:12] Trip there WILL be gaps
[17:43:15] BigFree the cover is blown
[17:43:32] Trip and GWT will have to cover both coasts with many units
[17:43:34] BigFree It is possible there will be gaps
[17:43:44] Trip it is IMPOSSIBLE that there WON'T be
[17:43:48] BigFree HAHA
[17:43:58] Trip GWT would need 150+ units all along the coast to block everything
[17:44:06] BigFree Yes, but as Important as Leo's is why wouldn; they protect that area?
[17:44:20] Trip what is our goal?
[17:44:24] Trip what is the goal of this alliance?
[17:44:28] BigFree divert GWT trooops
[17:44:28] Trip what are we trying to achieve?
[17:44:57] BigFree let APO and CFC land will dividing GWET troops
[17:44:59] Trip if the goal is to divert GWT then landing somewhere that is VITALLY important to them will draw more forces than somewhere that isn't as important
[17:45:09] Trip landing near GCA is LESS important than landing near Leo's
[17:45:14] Trip GWT can gift GCA a city to keep them alive
[17:45:17] EMP_CFC ahh, slow down and one question at a time
[17:45:18] Trip GCA's cities are expendible
[17:45:20] Trip Leo's is not
[17:45:27] EMP_CFC CFC will attack GCA, the people want it
[17:45:36] EMP_CFC no matter what you say we will
[17:45:39] Trip then you're hurting both of us
[17:45:41] BigFree ok, thats settled then
[17:45:46] EMP_CFC but I want some info on when we attack GCA
[17:45:50] BigFree Trip, thats not true
[17:45:50] Trip you lessen both your chances of success and our own
[17:45:56] BigFree It's just your opinon
[17:45:57] EMP_CFC for yuor benifit
[17:46:09] BigFree Thanks Enp
[17:46:19] EMP_CFC for what?
[17:46:28] BigFree For your support of APO
[17:46:35] Trip after we saved their hides :P
[17:46:44] BigFree It a team effort form here on out
[17:47:10] EMP_CFC I'm sorry if I offended you, I just must do what the polls say
[17:47:12] BigFree Not CFC. Not APO. But, CFC+APO
[17:47:35] Trip how many people voted in that poll anyways?
[17:48:12] EMP_CFC bout 10 people, about what we uswally get
[17:49:03] BigFree cool
[17:50:07] BigFree If the people of CFC have decided to go after GCA then so be it. We need to cordinate to make that landing as fruitful as possible.
[17:50:17] EMP_CFC yes that is what I want
[17:50:35] BigFree I willgetbackto you on definate plans in 4 days time
[17:50:47] BigFree I need 3 days for a poll
[17:51:27] EMP_CFC thank you
[17:51:36] BigFree your welcome
[17:51:48] BigFree the poll for the election Im in closes in 2 hours
[17:51:57] BigFree I will get things started then
[17:52:12] EMP_CFC good, well congratolations on your poistion
[17:52:22] BigFree Our teams current leadership was really just to busy with real life
[17:52:29] Trip we will probably want to land within 5 turns time
[17:52:33] BigFree I have more time available
[17:52:38] EMP_CFC it is understandable, I just don't want to make a mistake though
[17:52:44] BigFree yeah, me too.
[17:52:52] BigFree i appreciate your comming here to talk
[17:53:04] EMP_CFC no problem, after all it is my job
[17:53:07] BigFree It can be a hassle to try to keep up good comms
[17:53:19] EMP_CFC yep
[17:53:20] EMP_CFC now would one of you be so kind as to send me a log of this
[17:53:31] BigFree I would be happy to
[17:53:40] Trip for the time being
[17:53:43] EMP_CFC thank you, emperornapoloen@netscape.net
[17:53:48] BigFree :D
[17:53:49] Trip just stay away from any possible GWT or GCA Galleys
[17:53:54] Trip they can see up to 3 tiles away from coast
[17:53:56] BigFree Yeah
[17:53:59] BigFree thats th biggie
[17:53:59] Trip so stay at least 4 tiles away from ANY coast tiles
[17:54:00] EMP_CFC if we see one I will be here
[17:54:30] BigFree I still think something fishy went down before, but oh well.
[17:54:40] EMP_CFC before?
[17:54:50] BigFree fishy=GWT seeing our landing forces the turn prior
[17:55:07] EMP_CFC you mean cheating, maybe, but we can not prove it
[17:55:12] BigFree exactly
[17:55:25] BigFree but it could have been only just one meber
[17:55:30] BigFree not the whole team
[17:55:33] EMP_CFC yes, very possable
[17:55:34] BigFree i would not believe that
[17:55:46] BigFree GWt is an honorable team on the whole
[17:55:52] EMP_CFC yea, it would be to hard to cover it up
[17:55:57] BigFree I feel the same about us and +CFC
[17:56:11] BigFree Now, GCA on the otherhand.......
[17:56:23] EMP_CFC :p
[17:56:42] BigFree I thinkg GWT thinks th same about GCA now
[17:56:54] BigFree But, after they got in bed with them, its hard to kick them out!
[17:57:17] EMP_CFC yes, I don't think GWT knew what they were getting into
[17:57:30] BigFree exactly
[17:57:59] EMP_CFC well, it has been nice talking with you all
[17:58:12] BigFree You know, Lucky told us he has a way to vies the random nuber from the Random Number Generator in the game while the game is loaded and playing?
[17:58:19] BigFree *view
[17:58:36] Trip depending on where we land...
[17:58:36] BigFree Of course he said he "never" used it in our game
[17:58:42] Trip where and when
[17:58:50] Trip we may want you to land 2-3 turns ahead of us
[17:58:59] EMP_CFC yes yea
 
First off, if I were you EN, I wouldn't let that slime, Trip trash-talk CFC like that. I can't believe you take that...

Secondly Big Free said "[17:25:16] BigFree I think that's a good plan. I know a few of my team mates think it's better to go after the heart of GWT but I'm not as sure as they are. Ultimately, it's for you guys to decide. Besides, GAC is never a "bad" target!

What he says is true, it is up too us. Just like Goonie said, I left because we were just willows blowing in the wind. We didn't have much of a plan except what APO told us to do. "Gee, should we give APO more gold?....Gee, aren't they supposed to give us a tech?...."Gee, can we place a city here?" Trip would rather see us gone than admit he needs us. The only reason he wants us to land is to get slaughtered, maybe helping his landing force. He has no plans for us! Wake up.

To finish this statement, that bonehead Trip says he will probably land in 5 turns. He also said that we should land 2-3 turns before them. In the plan that I have laid out for you (that DZ drew up, Ankka approved, and was the winner of the people's poll) we would land in 2 turns! Guess what! That's 3 turns before Trip would land, just like he wanted.

So when we get the save, follow the plan we have approved. Do not flounder out in the ocean waiting to get sunk. Pay no attention to Trip. Let him work out his own plan, as we have worked out ours.
 
I agree. I don't want to wait four turns to land when it is feasible our fleet could be sunk. Also, Trip was very sour towards us. Luckily he isn't in power. That might have been a threat to the CFC-Apolyton alliance.
 
I didn't want to cause a bigger diplomatic problem if I started to trash talk APO. So, since there is no one who does not want to land next turn, I will inform APO that we will land next turn, unless someone has a major problem with it.
 
Emp.Napoleon said:
I didn't want to cause a bigger diplomatic problem if I started to trash talk APO. So, since there is no one who does not want to land next turn, I will inform APO that we will land next turn, unless someone has a major problem with it.
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Ok, I understnd how you were trying to be diplomatic with them, it's your job. But ty to be a little tougher on them. ;)

Such as, where is their screen shot of where they are and where they will land? We have not seen one, have we? How many turns ago was the last screen shot we got of their attack force? If we haven't, we're fools. What's to make us think they have an attack force? Maybe they just want us to land our forces in GWT to die so they can attack us. I need to see their screen shots now. We'll also need screen shots when they land. In fact get screen shots every turn. If we give them our exact location, and they tell GWT (saying we're the bad guys behind closed doors) and then attack us, we will be done for. Be careful of APO.
 
Cyc said:
Be careful of APO.
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I used to think that, and I guss they could, but they wont. If they did then they would be a sitting duck for GWT-GCA. GWT could win by domination quickly then. I do think that we should watch out for them though. I feal like we have lost sight of what we want to do: Win this MSDG. To do this we need to achive Continental Domination, the sooner the better.

But on subject, they will not. By the time they attack we would have a good foce ready.

I do have a map somewhere.
 
Good. I'd like to see the most recent map you have, plus fresh screen shots of their ships with the Info box in the picture. Let's make double sure we know what they're doing before we give them all our information. If they won't give us screenshots with ALL their ships, don't fork over anymore info. :thumbsup:
 
Cyc- that is what I like to see!
 
Message from APO-
Greetings Fanatics!

Wow, it's finally moving again. :) Taking a look at the trade advisor it tells us that our lux deal to you runs out in 2 turns. I will have our team offer it up again to you accepted on the next turn.

I was elected as a Consul and am currently serving with MrWhereIt'sAt. The third Consul has retired (to Switzerland) and has of yet to be replaced. well keep you updated.

We will have definite instructions/suggestions for the turn of your landing soon. It will be between 3 and 7 turns from this turn. A little more discussion is needed. We will likely land 2-3 turns after you do.

What's your economy looking like? What kind of gold can we expect to come our way for research in the next 10 turns or so?

Also, I made a suggestion before about CFC letting CGN have a small area up near where APO's silk Colony is now. I'd like to set them up with a 5-7 city spread up there. we could have CGN contribution up to 100 commerce per turn to our cause if we do so. It's like having 5 centers of Government instead of the 4 we have. Not to mention it will boost their interest in the game and lets us take advantage of their free techs in every age to come.



Also, in a little chat with Bigfree, poly asks once again if we can hold off for 2 turns, they will land in 4.
 
What?!?! We aren't really going to hang out off the GWT/GCA coast for 7 more turns are we? And is this the first time they brought up letting CGN have some of our property west of the northern choke-point? If so, that is a little presumptious of them. They negotiated CGN's escape, they should be responsible for give CGN land.
 
"Also, in a little chat with Bigfree, poly asks once again if we can hold off for 2 turns, they will land in 4."

As you didn't do us the favor oftelling us who signed that correspondence, I can only assume you wrote the line above. First they write "We will have definite instructions/suggestions for the turn of your landing soon. It will be between 3 and 7 turns from this turn. A little more discussion is needed. We will likely land 2-3 turns after you do.", then they propose the line above? What's the deal here?

Someone needs to stick a pin in their over-inflated egoes. Where is the save now? Didn't DZ say he would play it yesterday afternoon? Where's the report? Where's the save?

Where are the frickin' MAPS? If they want to give us the lux's with no strings attached, that's fine. Anything else HAS to be re-negotiated. Hell, NO! CGN can't have any of our lands :rolleyes: Tell them in no uncertain terms that WE, the Great frickin' nation of Fanatikou think it would be a grand idea if Poly gave CGN the old BALANCE OF POWER city location, and that any other CGN cities should go to the EAST of that. This is madness, really.

If we have taken our turn and not moved closer to CGA, or we are not landing in 2 moves, I'm outta here. You guys, if you accept this crap, are on some serious medication.
 
I can't understand this sudden anti-APO attitude. The thruth is we can't really make any impact on the game on our own. The alliance with APO atleast lets us a chance to ifluence the outcome of the game. I still think we should try to keep up the good work that has made this attack possible... The reason APO are sour with us is because they see the urgency of attackin GWT and we don't.
 
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