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Term 6 - Embassy to APO

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Multi-site Demo Game: High Council' started by Emp.Napoleon, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Alright, I will play the save shortly, meaning today.

    I will do my best to post all pertinent information so that future turn players will have an idea how to proceed.

    Unfortunately, my work is demanding far more of my time than ever before, so I cannot promise to be there to play the save at all times. I will do my best, however.
     
  2. Emp.Napoleon

    Emp.Napoleon SUPER EMP!

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    E mail from Trip that had a chat long in it from today:

    Hope everyone considers carefully what I've said, it's very important for the fate of both CFC and Apolyton.

    [18:36] <Aidun> The latest update I can find is that of last monday
    [18:36] <EMP_CFC> o ok
    [18:36] <Aidun> Ypu probably already know that one
    [18:36] <EMP_CFC> yes I do
    [18:36] <Aidun> And in case not, Trip can tell you much more in depth
    [18:36] <EMP_CFC> ok
    [18:37] -EMP_CFC- hello
    [18:38] <Trip> ?
    [18:39] <EMP_CFC> hey, did you see the news on the Fanatican fleet
    [18:40] <Trip> yes :p
    [18:40] <Trip> for the best, probably
    [18:40] <EMP_CFC> yes, it wil l stall the attack for a few turns
    [18:40] <Trip> my guess is that it will end up being stalled indefinitely
    [18:41] <EMP_CFC> why is that
    [18:41] <Aidun> I'm going to sleep now if you don't mind 2:43 AM
    [18:41] <EMP_CFC> :p see you later
    [18:42] <Trip> because everywhere you go will be blocked
    [18:42] <EMP_CFC> so we will ahve to wait for mariens?
    [18:43] * Aidun has quit IRC (Quit: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
    [18:44] <Trip> or try to survive
    [18:44] <Trip> until then
    [18:44] <Trip> many people at Apolyton expect GWT to do a full-scale invasion somewhere in CFC lands eventually
    [18:44] <Trip> 50+ Ansar
    [18:45] <EMP_CFC> yes, we are the main target since we are a lot weeker
    [18:45] <EMP_CFC> now, do they have the techs to cross the ocean?
    [18:45] <Trip> they will very soon
    [18:45] <Trip> they will have the necessary techs in about 10 turns
    [18:46] <EMP_CFC> o darn, then should we start to block our lands?
    [18:46] <EMP_CFC> or try to stop then en rout with ships?
    [18:46] <Trip> yes
    [18:46] <Trip> make a wall
    [18:46] <Trip> that's your only hope
    [18:46] <Trip> GWT has many many boats
    [18:46] <Trip> the only chance you guys have is to have your own boats watching
    [18:46] <Trip> and then to make a wall
    [18:46] <Trip> send your landing force back hom
    [18:46] <Trip> I'm going to recommend the same for Apolyton
    [18:47] <Trip> in 10 turns GWT could be sailing with 50+ Ansar on board
    [18:47] <Trip> if you land those units then you will die
    [18:47] <EMP_CFC> ok, now if we get the tech lead soon, can we blockade their continant, once we get better ships, or no?
    [18:47] <Trip> we first have to survive
    [18:48] <Trip> you guys need to start researching again
    [18:48] <EMP_CFC> ok, I'm science minister so I can get that done
    [18:49] <Trip> what do you have more of, Libraries or Markets?
    [18:49] <Trip> if you have more Markets, then it'd be best if you continued funded our research
    [18:49] <Trip> since we have many Libraries built already
    [18:50] <EMP_CFC> I do not know, but I can find out
    [18:50] <Trip> GWT is very strong economically
    [18:50] <Trip> they will pass us unless you either A) start researching or B) gift us money so we can research faster
    [18:51] <EMP_CFC> I would like to see both of us reasrch, but we have not for so long
    [18:52] <Trip> the problem is that if you have many Markets but no Libraries you'll be wasting money
    [18:52] <Trip> because we can research with -100 GPT
    [18:52] <Trip> if you can cover that amount then we can research techs in 4 turns
    [18:52] <Trip> which will be very valuable
    [18:52] <Trip> in both of us STAYING ALIVE now
    [18:53] <Trip> we need Cavalry, we need RRs, we need Factories
    [18:53] <Trip> I understand you want to be helping research but we can't cut corners here
    [18:53] <Trip> if we don't do things right we'll LOSE
    [18:53] <Trip> we have to maximize efficiency in any way we can
    [18:53] <Trip> and the fact is that if you have more Markets than Libraries, if you're researching our alliance will be losing money every turn you do so
    [18:54] <Trip> it would be the same if it were switched
    [18:54] <Trip> if you had all the Libraries and we had the Markets
    [18:54] <Trip> it would be foolish for us to do our own research if we could cover your costs
    [18:54] <Trip> do you understand?
    [18:54] <Trip> I'm not trying to tell you what to do
    [18:54] <Trip> that's just how it is
    [18:54] <Trip> GWT is too good
    [18:54] <Trip> we can't be careless
    [18:54] <EMP_CFC> I understand
    [18:55] <EMP_CFC> I am posting this right no
    [18:55] <EMP_CFC> w
    [18:57] <Trip> okay, good
    [18:57] <Trip> we both have to play very well and think carefully about every move we make
    [18:57] <Trip> GWT has Leo's
    [18:57] <Trip> we basically have no shot at damaging them any more
    [18:57] <Trip> we need every unit we can get to block the coasts
    [18:57] <Trip> every ship we can to watch for GWT coming
    [18:57] <EMP_CFC> will poly be blocking thier land?
    [18:57] <Trip> yes
    [18:57] <EMP_CFC> ok
    [18:57] <Trip> we need to put research to the max and get to the Industrial Age
    [18:58] <Trip> if we're not careful GWT will pass us in techs
    [18:58] <Trip> we need to make use of every single gold coin our alliance has now
    [18:58] <Trip> if we can continue researching and developing economically...
    [18:58] <Trip> a Marine invasion WILL be a very good possibility
    [18:59] <Trip> but only if we can survive to that point
    [18:59] <Trip> and be ahead in techs
    [18:59] <EMP_CFC> wow, but we got a big gap, about 60 turns untill we get there
    [18:59] <Trip> yes
    [18:59] <Trip> there's not really much we can do though
    [18:59] <Trip> GWT has too many units and is watching
    [18:59] <Trip> even with Cavalry they could stop us now
    [18:59] <Trip> we need Marines, Tanks, Bombers and a real navy
    [18:59] <Trip> with that we don't have to worry about GWT's unit wall or their Ansar
    [19:00] <Trip> Cavalry are useless against Infantry and Artillery
    [19:00] <Trip> their massive army will be obsolete and costing them a fortune
    [19:00] <EMP_CFC> but if they go up in tech, they can easaly upgrade
    [19:00] <Trip> they can only upgrade Ansar to Cavalry
    [19:00] <EMP_CFC> o ok
    [19:01] <Trip> Cavalry don't upgrade to Tanks
    [19:01] <Trip> once we get Infantry we can stop their Ansar and Cavalry
    [19:01] <EMP_CFC> and what upgrades to marins
    [19:01] <Trip> nothing
    [19:01] <Trip> they have to be built from scratch
    [19:01] <Trip> which is why if we can get the edge in technology and industry with gold and shields
    [19:01] <Trip> we can beat them later
    [19:01] <Trip> but right now they have the advantage
    [19:01] <Trip> and if we're careless they'll land and destroy us both
    [19:02] <EMP_CFC> ok I see this
    [19:02] <Trip> so we play defensive for a while
    [19:02] <Trip> researching, building RRs and Factories
    [19:03] <Trip> when the time comes we build a force of Marines, Tanks, Bombers, Infantry, etc.
    [19:03] <Trip> and then we destroy them when we have the edge again
    [19:04] <EMP_CFC> ok I understand
    [19:05] <Trip> good
    [19:05] <Trip> you guys should set up a few cities to build more boats to watch for GWT coming
    [19:05] <Trip> build lots of Workers and a few more Settlers
    [19:05] <Trip> right now it's important to have units to block the coast with
    [19:05] <EMP_CFC> now what about CGN? do they do the same?
    [19:05] <Trip> yes
    [19:06] <Trip> take EVERY unit away from the coast facing GWT and put them there
    [19:06] <Trip> block every tile that you can
    [19:06] <EMP_CFC> I will tell my team that, and I will get back to you
    [19:06] <EMP_CFC> we probay will, if your guys are pulling out
    [19:07] <Trip> okay
    [19:07] <Trip> I am arguing for it
    [19:07] <Trip> and most people are against trying to land now
    [19:07] <Trip> CFC should not land either
    [19:07] <Trip> you guys don't have that many Riders or Muskets
    [19:07] <Trip> if you lose them you'll be in even worse shape than us
    [19:07] <Trip> especially since you're so close to GWT
    [19:07] <Trip> where we first met GWT
    [19:07] <EMP_CFC> ok
    [19:12] <EMP_CFC> can you sned me a log of this?
    [19:12] <Trip> sure
    [19:13] <EMP_CFC> emperornapoloen@netscape.net
    [19:14] <Trip> the best place to put your 1-move units is on the coast north of Kuangbiao Haian
    [19:14] <Trip> as many tiles as you can cover
    [19:14] <Trip> MIs, Catapults, Spears, Pikes, whatever
    [19:14] <Trip> just not Workers or Settlers ;)
    [19:15] <EMP_CFC> :p
    [19:17] <Trip> hehe
     
  3. RegentMan

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    Just a little thing that bugs me is that you remind them we're weaker (assuming that's what "weeker" was supposed to mean) then they are. While it may be true, don't keep saying it here and at chats. It lowers morale here and it makes Apolyton think exactly what they want us to think: they're our saviors and we're just their weak little pets. My three cents regarding that.

    What about our blockading? Do we really have that many units to pull it off? What about GCN? Did they leave with a bunch of units to blockade with?
     
  4. Ankka

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    If CGN wants to be any use they should blokade somewhere...

    I agree, if GWT sends an invasion force here we're dust. Blokade. I'll figure next turn how well we can do it... no use of defending the inland cities.

    But we surely don't have enough troops to blokade off the whole landside we have, maybe Poly could help in the North, for instance, where the silks are?
     
  5. Emp.Napoleon

    Emp.Napoleon SUPER EMP!

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    Poly told me that they are reminding them that they need to block too. I think they brought over a lot of troops from the other continant anyways.
     
  6. RegentMan

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    Okay. They're going to need to use every one of them. Ankka's right also. We're going to need to make a bunch of cheap units.
     
  7. Emp.Napoleon

    Emp.Napoleon SUPER EMP!

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    Maybe we should also cut our iron.
     
  8. Hygro

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    I was thinking that too.
     
  9. RegentMan

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    Good idea. Pump out those warriors!
     
  10. Donovan Zoi

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    Sorry, gang, but we cannot cut our Iron supply, as Yun Qiuling is founded upon a major source of it. However, one thing we can do is build Catapults. Keep in mind, we may be once again giving our surplus to Apolyton's research efforts, so we can't afford substantial upgrades anyway.

    Also, I am not opposed to letting GWT land if we can play our cards right. I will take a look at the save and see what our defensive options are. If we can get Cannons and Frigates by the time they hit our shores, then there is a good chance that we can soften the threat by land and sea.
     
  11. Ankka

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    catapaults sure propably are the cheapest stuff we can build... When/if I polay the save, I'll start building them.
     
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    Good, because catapults will make good artillery later :)
     
  13. Donovan Zoi

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    When you do, Ankka, please do so in our low shield/pt cities, and leave our 10+ producers to continue Rider training.
     
  14. Ankka

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    Ok... riders... what should we use our money in? Rush some muskets on the island, for instance? How much should we send to Poly? What's the deal?

    I'll send 40gold about each turn unless I hear something else.
     
  15. Emp.Napoleon

    Emp.Napoleon SUPER EMP!

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    I was attacked by Mr. Free today:

    Hey ho there. We'd like to get some gold from you guys for continued 4 turn research; it's very important to keep that coming. We have the infrastructure (Libraries and Universities) to more aptly take advantage quick research using your commerce to allow deficit researching on our part. :) Also, I sent a note with the last save to you guys. Have you come up with a response yet? I wait your reponse. One more note..we have the turn right now and will be playing it most likely within 24 hours...just to give you guys a heads up on when it's getting to you.
     
  16. Ankka

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    The note from the last save.


     
  17. Cheetah

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    Hm. Letting CGN settle on some of our land as well as Polys, or only on our land?

    If it is some of our land in addition to Polys land I can be willing to accept it. It will take forever for us to settle that area anyways. But most of CGNs new land should come from Poly, as they have most to give!
     
  18. Hygro

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    If we bothered, we could have that land settled and useful in a short amount of time. I don't know why I haven't been pushing for it.
     
  19. RegentMan

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    So... are we pulling back from GWT/GCA?
     
  20. Ankka

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    We will trigger our GA, at minimum. Then let's see what happens. If we can raze a city, all the better. We'll at least wreck as much havoc as possible in the short time we're in.
     

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