Terrorists or freedom fighters?

[Inqvisitor]

You have got to be kidding me! "imperialist aggression"!?! Are you living in the 1880's? I wouldn't care if they fought, but killing innocent people, ramming buildings with planes, beheading people....thats pushing it WAY too far.

Iraqis did not kill or behead innocent people or ram buildings with planes. What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

 

[Dreadnought]

Iraqis did not kill or behead innocent people or ram buildings with planes. What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

The Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials were war criminals. US Soldiers are NOT war criminals.

Tell me: What is a 'legal' invasion?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Iraqis did not kill or behead innocent people or ram buildings with planes. What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

most insurgents are foreign fighters

 

[Xanikk999]

Iraqis did not kill or behead innocent people or ram buildings with planes. What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

Actually some of the terrorists who beheaded people were iraqi and yes i think beheading someone on a camera in the intent to terrorize people is terrorism.

Regardless of the reasons behind it they are still terrorists. The ones who participated anyway.

Oh and some of the hijackers on the 9-11 planes were iraqi. So your flat out wrong.

 

[skadistic]

Iraqis did not kill or behead innocent people QUOTE]

Are you positive thats right?

What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

You mean when the shiites rebeled against Sadam and Co. after the US kicked them out of Kuwait after the republican gaurd illegaly invaded right?

 

[Xanikk999]

most insurgents are foreign fighters

Not all of them though. Im not saying that the invasion was justified im just saying that some of the terrorist were iraqi. And they participated in all of the areas.

 

[malclave]

most insurgents are foreign fighters

I don't believe that's correct, although some certainly are.

The "insurgency" is also not a single group... while there might be some that I might consider "freedom fighters", there are others who are clearly "terrorists", and stil others that are just criminals.

 

[tombeef]

What they did do is respond accordingly to an illegal invasion of their sovereign territory by an elite group of tyrannical war criminals.

I'd be willing to bet that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's thought Saddam's mass murders were wrong and should be illegal. How many children want their father to be hauled off and shot? Not anyone I know.

Last time I checked, Americans were not broadcasting the beheading of civilians on CNN international. Terrorists attack civilians, they don't care about anyone else's lives. Americans do not go off beheading civilians, our goal is to prevent as many civilian deaths as possible.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Not all of them though. Im not saying that the invasion was justified im just saying that some of the terrorist were iraqi. And they participated in all of the areas.

from what i had heard, most where (not an overwhelming majority though)

 

[Zwelgje]

I think the term terrorist has been diluted by all the terrorist name calling that has been going on in the Iraq war.

I'm sure that there are terrorists in Iraq now, trying to make people scared to do the things they want to do, with probably the intention to put a government in place which is supported by these terrorists. However, the vast majority of attacks is aimed at Iraq police and western soldiers and I wouldn call tese attackers terrorists. Perhaps not freedom fighters either as I don't believe the aim of many of these groups is to get the US out but more to get their own leader in. Freedom fighters in my opinion would be fighting in the benefit of the country and its people but these fighters are fighting for themselves and their gang to have control.

The poll you made is way too simplified but I chose the middle and voted for militants as I think the majority of the fighters fighting US soldiers and Iraq police fit that category best.

 

[Inqvisitor]

The Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials were war criminals. US Soldiers are NOT war criminals.

Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone, described the Nuremberg court as nothing more than "a high-grade lynching party" for Germans.

George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Wurmser, Rove, Rice, and all the rest of them...they are true war criminals.

Tell me: What is a 'legal' invasion?

There is none. Just wars are always in defence.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

how are the americans war criminals?

 

[Azadre]

I learned from my CIA buddies that Terrorist is someone who uses Terror tactics(civilian deaths non-collateral), meaning your freedom fighter can be a terrorist. At the same time, you can say the American army has terrorists because of the tactics.

 

[Inqvisitor]

You mean when the shiites rebeled against Sadam and Co. after the US kicked them out of Kuwait after the republican gaurd illegaly invaded right?

I'd be willing to bet that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's thought Saddam's mass murders were wrong and should be illegal. How many children want their father to be hauled off and shot? Not anyone I know.

Sounds like internal instability the Iraqis themselves need to work out.

Using such logic (or rather, lack thereof), I wonder why China did not decide to invade during the U.S. "Civil War."

Last time I checked, Americans were not broadcasting the beheading of civilians on CNN international. Terrorists attack civilians, they don't care about anyone else's lives. Americans do not go off beheading civilians, our goal is to prevent as many civilian deaths as possible.

The CIA, FBI, etc. are much wealthier and more organized. They tend to do things under the cloak of secrecy. For example at Guantanamo...

 

[Godwynn]

But Kid, your views are more skewed to the left than FOX news is to the right.

I'd say more skewed to the left than Strom Thurmond is to the right.

There is a difference between terrorists and freedom fighters. Freedom fighters take out the enemies soldiers, and fight for the side of good (fighting for democracy, and whatnot).

The terrorists are those who take out civilians, as we unfortunately saw in New York, London, and the train bombings in Spain. Plus all over Israel.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

have you ever been to guananamo, no, whats that you havent :shudder:

make your comparisons to experiences you know something about

 

[Zwelgje]

Tell me: What is a 'legal' invasion?

There is none. Just wars are always in defence.

You guys are talking about different things here. An invasion can be part of a war. Therefore Inqvisitor must admit that an invasion can be just when it's part of a defensive war.
Example: liberation of Kuwait.
- Iraq invaded Kuwait (start of war)
- Iraq keeps Kuwait occupied (continuation of war)
- Coalition invades Kuwait and kicks Iraqis out (end of war)
On part of the coalition it was a defensive war and the invasion was part of that defensive war.

 

[Inqvisitor]

have you ever been to guananamo, no, whats that you havent :shudder:

The CIA, FBI, etc. are much wealthier and more organized. They tend to do things under the cloak of secrecy. For example at Guantanamo...

Thank you so much for helping to prove my point....

 

[ainwood]

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