warpus
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Why Illinois?
Do you support the troops?
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For the same reason as Iraq.
Narz
keeping it real
You mean Michagen.
Thousands of people starve every day which is preventable. But not in this country.
And I don't recall people raiding American prior to World World II. So I assume you're saying that the US couldn't ended the WW II just as it was starting but dropping lots of bombs & sacrificing lots of our boys. Maybe. But you don't know that. Also, isn't playing police to the world just encouraging people to come running to us when they need help?
It seems to be that invading assorted countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) lead to a lot of people getting killed when that may have been preventable.
M
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My point was the National Guard is not equipped to go over seas and actually take the fight to the enemy, the National Guard is equipped for the (now unthinkable thanks to our armed forces) scenario of having to defend the US from an invasion.
Also, "no one was making raids on the US"? What was Pearl Harbor then? A friendly "Hello, nice to meet you."? What about the Philippines, or Guam, or any of those other places?
Narz
keeping it real
That wasn't prior to WW II.
What enemy do we need to "take the fight to" and why?
What enemy do we need to "take the fight to" and why?
kochman
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Exactly...So the murder of thousands of civilians doesn't deserve death? Oh well, while we're at it, maybe we should have let Hitler loose. Yeah?
There was no million Iraqi deaths, that was completely made up.
But the long term strategical bombing of Germany, and the nuking of Japan... that certainly helped. In those cases, a lot of people were really behind the governments though.
Anyhow, the efforts taken in the Iraq War to specifically avoid killing innocents has been unequaled in history. War is war, and innocents will die... it sucks, but that's how it is.
No, rashiminos is mistaken. You are correct.
Actually, another part of the reason to have a national guard is also to have a large trained cadre if we ever needed to rapidly expand our military, such as the build up for WW2.
Uncle Anton
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Dammit... still can't quote. :-/
@ Formaldehyde - Yes Sir, you're quite correct. Soldiers are indeed pawns in a game of politics which is bloody, messy and inhuman. In fact, I made that very point. I also made the point that if someone didn't volunteer to be such a pawn, said cronies would (and in the past have) found plenty of pawns to forcifully move onto the chessboard. This fact alone means that while Soldiers don't necessarily require your support, they don't deserve your scorn either. If we for example met at a CFC meet, I'd expect common courtesy from you, much the same as you'd be entitled to expect common courtesy from me.
BTW, I've never met another current or retired soldier from any era who demanded or expected adoration from anyone. Again, just common courtesy.
@ Galdre - Yes, Citizens in liberal democracies have a right to a fair trial and a right to presumption of innocence. It's important in commenting on military events to remember that a) military events are usually governed by military law, both the military law of the individual countries involved, as well as internationally accepted and recognised legislation such as the Laws of Armed Conflict, such laws by the way have something to say about when someone stops being a civilian and starts being a combatant.
I genuinely suggest you read up on it, it's interesting stuff
@ Formaldehyde - Yes Sir, you're quite correct. Soldiers are indeed pawns in a game of politics which is bloody, messy and inhuman. In fact, I made that very point. I also made the point that if someone didn't volunteer to be such a pawn, said cronies would (and in the past have) found plenty of pawns to forcifully move onto the chessboard. This fact alone means that while Soldiers don't necessarily require your support, they don't deserve your scorn either. If we for example met at a CFC meet, I'd expect common courtesy from you, much the same as you'd be entitled to expect common courtesy from me.
BTW, I've never met another current or retired soldier from any era who demanded or expected adoration from anyone. Again, just common courtesy.
@ Galdre - Yes, Citizens in liberal democracies have a right to a fair trial and a right to presumption of innocence. It's important in commenting on military events to remember that a) military events are usually governed by military law, both the military law of the individual countries involved, as well as internationally accepted and recognised legislation such as the Laws of Armed Conflict, such laws by the way have something to say about when someone stops being a civilian and starts being a combatant.
I genuinely suggest you read up on it, it's interesting stuff
MobBoss
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