The Africa Thread

The last continent I haven't been to yet, unless we're counting Antarctica.. which I suppose we should.

The plan is to go to Morocco at some point while I'm in Spain. It's supposed to be pretty there. That or South Africa, or maybe both.
 
More like too late. If Ian Heath hadn't made the Unilateral Declaration of Independence and then fought a drawn-out, brutal war against universal suffrage and instead realized that minority rule was untenable and gone quietly, the country would probably be much better off.

Ian Smith, iirc. Still, it's not a big deal.

_72892599_gettycar2.jpg


Aid organisations have warned that the continued exodus of Muslims from the Central African Republic (CAR) could lead to a catastrophic market collapse.

Oxfam and Action Against Hunger say fewer than 10 wholesalers remain in the capital, Bangui, with many considering leaving the country.

As a result, they warn staple food supplies could dry up and prices rise.

With 90% of the population estimated by the UN to eat one meal a day, there are fears the situation could worsen.

Violence between the Christian majority and Muslims has torn the country apart since a coup last year. Tens of thousands of Muslims have already fled the country to neighbouring Cameroon and Chad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26130746
 
:(

Apart from other issues, Zimbabwe is also landlocked, which in most continents is a very serious handicap.

A very nasty situation there...

zimbpm100trillionr.jpg

Zimbabweans actually mostly use the US Dollar for transactions nowadays.
 
I'm honestly surprised Mugabe is still in power. In there any reason(s) in particular why he hasn't been removed yet and Morgan Tsangvarai or anybody more sane isn't in power?
 
Allegations were made in 2011, that a third of registered voters were dead or aged 120 (in a country with a life expectancy of 44).[21] These accusations were repeated in 2013, with the additional claim that a considerable number of young voters had not been registered.[22] The Zimbabwe Election Support Network (ZESN), a local observer group with 7,000 monitors, listed a litany of offences, including state media bias, a campaign of intimidation in rural areas, and the rushed electoral process before key reforms to the security services were in place. But the most effective measure was tampering with the electoral rolls. Held back until the day before the election – thus avoiding proper scrutiny – the roll revealed an estimated one million invalid names, including many deceased voters. And it excluded up to one million real ones, mostly in urban areas where the MDC support is strongest.[23]

On the day of the elections, one of Zimbabwe's electoral commissioners resigned. In his resignation letter, Mkhululi Nyathi of the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission wrote, "I do not wish to enumerate the many reasons of my resignation, but they all have to do with the manner the Zimbabwe 2013 harmonised elections were proclaimed and conducted".[24]

The Electoral Commission later reported that approximately 305,000 voters were turned away from polls, with an additional 207,000 voters being "assisted" on casting their ballots.[25] There were also more than 100,000 centenarian ghost voters on the electoral roll.[26]

On 9 August 2013, the Movement for Democratic Change, sought to have the results declared null and void. If their petition is rejected then Mugabe must be sworn in within 48 hours. [27] A week later they withdrew their petition. [28] Despite their withdrawal the Supreme Court of Zimbabwe ruled that the election was "free, fair and credible".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_general_election,_2013

I don't think there's much doubt that the election was indeed "free, fair and credible".
 
I'm honestly surprised Mugabe is still in power. In there any reason(s) in particular why he hasn't been removed yet and Morgan Tsangvarai or anybody more sane isn't in power?
The question is who and how is going to depose him. It is not that USA or other powers fight only for human freedom, they need something to make a good profit of. Probably, his country does not have enough to warrant foreign intervention, at least for now.
 
The question is who and how is going to depose him. It is not that USA or other powers fight only for human freedom, they need something to make a good profit of. Probably, his country does not have enough to warrant foreign intervention, at least for now.

Have you considered the possibility that he might be removed from power through the actions of other Zimbabweans and not the US?
 
I think it more likely that he'll die than be removed from power. He's certainly not going to just go gracefully, since he'll likely face substantial criminal charges.

And isn't ZANU-PF still a formidable force to be reckoned with?

Still, I don't know. My information isn't all that up to date.

http://www.thezimbabwean.co/news/zimbabwe/70436/salarygate-exposes-zanu-pf-factionalism.html

The ongoing scandal involving parastatal executives and their respective boards awarding themselves hefty salaries and allowances has turned political, with a faction within Zanu (PF) accusing some party and government insiders of deliberating exposing information to undermine the country.
 
Have you considered the possibility that he might be removed from power through the actions of other Zimbabweans and not the US?


Always a possibility. But there can be a lot of factors keeping him in power. Not the least of which is that he leads the 'us against them' of Africans against whites which is taking back all that the whites stole. That gives him some support. I don't know the extent of election fraud there, but I expect there's a good amount. Then there's the fact that any opposition that might beat him would have to be organized. And the organization would take a lot of time and effort.

There would have to be a lot of Africans in the country who really believed that they were worse off with him than they had been before him. And things sucked so bad before him, that that is a high bar.

His day will come. But it would be a mistake to think that the economic conditions there make his day imminent.
 
Always a possibility. But there can be a lot of factors keeping him in power. Not the least of which is that he leads the 'us against them' of Africans against whites which is taking back all that the whites stole. That gives him some support. I don't know the extent of election fraud there, but I expect there's a good amount. Then there's the fact that any opposition that might beat him would have to be organized. And the organization would take a lot of time and effort.

There would have to be a lot of Africans in the country who really believed that they were worse off with him than they had been before him. And things sucked so bad before him, that that is a high bar.

His day will come. But it would be a mistake to think that the economic conditions there make his day imminent.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Mugabe's removal by Zimbabweans is likely; he's probably president-for-life. Just that you can't assume that the always-wrong evil capitali$t Anglo-$axon Americans will be the only possible actors in Mugabe's hypothetical removal.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Mugabe's removal by Zimbabweans is likely; he's probably president-for-life. Just that you can't assume that the always-wrong evil capitali$t Anglo-$axon Americans will be the only possible actors in Mugabe's hypothetical removal.


The West is not going to remove him at all. Not unless we get a genocide out of him that's notably brutal, even by Africa's standards. There's nothing in it for the West to remove him, and more than a lot of reason to keep our hands off of it.
 
_72923716_72923715.jpg


International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the Central African Republic, a human rights group says.

Militia attacks have led to a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions", according to a report by Amnesty International.

Aid groups have warned of a food crisis, as many of the shops and wholesalers were run by Muslims.

The UN's World Food Programme has started a month-long aid airlift.

The roads are too dangerous to transport food without a military escort, WFP spokesman Alexis Masciarelli told the BBC.

This is why the UN agency is taking the more expensive option of flying food in from neighbouring Cameroon.

The first flight carrying 82 tonnes of rice arrived on Wednesday, with a further 1,800 tonnes of cereal to follow in the coming weeks.

This is enough to feed 150,000 people but he said it was not enough as 1.25 million need food aid in the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26150668
 


From the article:

African Union (AU) peacekeepers have uncovered a mass grave at a military camp occupied by Seleka rebels in Bangui, the capital of the Central African Republic (CAR).

...
The discovery is the latest chapter of violence to grip the former French colony since March, when the mainly Muslim rebels seized power.
Their campaign of rape, torture and executions against the majority Christian population triggered inter-religious
violence which has displaced a million people, the Reuters news agency said.



Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...mass-grave-capital-car-20142131361774394.html
 
:lol:

Yes. I think your optimism was slightly premature.

France is to send an 400 additional troops to the Central African Republic, raising its total deployment to 2,000.

The French military has been working with 5,500 troops from African countries to end more than a year of deadly ethnic and sectarian violence.

President Francois Hollande called on the United Nations to speed up the deployment of peacekeepers to CAR.

Tens of thousands of Muslims have fled as Christian militias have stepped up their attacks in recent weeks.

The militias claim to be taking revenge for atrocities committed by Muslim rebels last year.

They accuse their victims of supporting the Muslim rebel group that seized power in March 2013, but was forced out last month.

Many Muslims have crossed the borders into neighbouring Cameroon and Chad, while thousands more are living in camps inside CAR.

Amnesty International has described the situation in the former French colony as "ethnic cleansing", but CAR's president rejected the label and said it was a security issue.

CAR's religious make-up
Christians - 50%
Muslims - 15%
Indigenous beliefs - 35%

Source: Index Mundi


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26195583
 


From the article:

Suspected Islamist militants have raided a Nigerian village and murdered dozens, according to witnesses.
The gunmen reportedly rounded up a group of men in Izghe village and shot them, before going door-to-door and killing anyone they found.
Officials said they suspected the Boko Haram group was behind the attack.
Boko Haram, which claims to be fighting to create an Islamic state in northern Nigeria, is notorious for extreme violence and indiscriminate attacks.


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26220300
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26378230

The World Bank has postponed a $90m (£54m) loan to Uganda over its tough anti-gay law, which has drawn criticism from around the world.

World Bank officials said they wanted to guarantee the projects the loan was destined to support were not going to be adversely affected by the law.

The loan was intended to boost Uganda's health services.

Ugandan government spokesman Ofwono Opondo said the World Bank "should not blackmail its members".

The law, enacted on Monday, strengthens already strict legislation relating to homosexuals.

It allows life imprisonment as the penalty for acts of "aggravated homosexuality" and also criminalises the "promotion of homosexuality".
'Eliminate discrimination'

The law has been sharply criticised by the West, with donors such as Denmark and Norway saying they would redirect aid away from the government to aid agencies.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has called the law "atrocious". Both he and South African Nobel peace laureate Desmond Tutu compared it to anti-Semitic laws in Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa.

A spokesman for the World Bank said: "We have postponed the project for further review to ensure that the development objectives would not be adversely affected by the enactment of this new law."

The loan was supposed to be approved on Thursday to supplement a 2010 loan that focused on maternal health, newborn care and family planning.

The World Bank's action is the largest financial penalty incurred on the Ugandan authorities since the law went into force.

In an editorial for the Washington Post, World Bank President Jim Yong Kim warned that legislation restricting sexual rights "can hurt a country's competitiveness by discouraging multinational companies from investing or locating their activities in those nations".

He said the World Bank would discuss how such discrimination "would affect our projects and our gay and lesbian staff members".

In his view, he adds, fighting "to eliminate all institutionalised discrimination is an urgent task".

But Mr Opondo said not everything the West said was correct and there should be mutual respect for sovereign states.

"There was a time when the international community believed slave trade and slavery was cool, that colonialism was cool, that coups against African governments was cool," he told the BBC.

"I think the best way forward is constructive engagement but... I think Uganda and Africa in general should stand up to this blackmail."

President Yoweri Museveni signed the anti-gay bill earlier this week, despite international criticism.

Ugandan authorities have defended the decision, saying President Museveni wanted "to demonstrate Uganda's independence in the face of Western pressure and provocation".

Uganda is a very conservative society, where many people oppose homosexuality.

I can't help feeling that the World Bank is punishing the wrong people.

_73271799_ugandaap.jpg
 
Back
Top Bottom