The 'Best' Ancient General

[BananaLee]

My vote is for Zheng He. He conquered America, started the Renaissance, singlehandedly prevented the world apocalypse, and kept global warming at bay.

 

[MajKira]

My vote is for Zheng He. He conquered America, started the Renaissance, singlehandedly prevented the world apocalypse, and kept global warming at bay.

http://www.alrahalah.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/voyages-of-zheng-he-map-06-04.jpg
Since when is 15th century Ancient time? End of Middle Age and Early modern time it is
and click on the link to see his voyages. Never had been in America

 

[BananaLee]

Ah, then you don't know the greatness of Zheng He then. He lives through all times. And the Great Gavin Menzies (His Prophet, Peace be Upon Him) proclaimed that Zheng He conquered America. Therefore, it must be true.

 

[MajKira]

Ah, then you don't know the greatness of Zheng He then. He lives through all times. And the Great Gavin Menzies (His Prophet, Peace be Upon Him) proclaimed that Zheng He conquered America. Therefore, it must be true.

Can you explain me whadda or whom you reffering to?
In wiki"Zheng He (1371–1435, 鄭和 / 郑和; pinyin: Zhèng Hé), also known as Ma Sanbao (馬三寶 / 马三&#23453, was a Muslim Hui-Chinese mariner, explorer, diplomat and fleet admiral, who commanded voyages to Southeast Asia, South Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa, collectively referred to as the "Voyages of Zheng He" or "Voyages of Cheng Ho" from 1405 to 1433."
He is He????

 

[BananaLee]

He is He????

He IS HE!!!!

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[MajKira]

He IS HE!!!!

you making fun of me? I thought to be taken seriously but yu obviously are jus a silly damn pinguin. nothing else.
Thnk you you meany pingy

 

[BananaLee]

Why would I making fun of you?

And I am a damn fine penguin, thank you. I am also a worshipper of the Great Zheng He and Gavin Menzies His Prophet.

Zheng He is the best ancient, medieval, industrial, modern, and future general.

 

[Incodcito]

Really? I think that you can definitely make an argument. Alex might've been flashier and had a better peak, but Caesar's (relative) longevity and numbers definitely put him into the argument. It's not as though Caesar faced consistently weak enemies or conquered that much less territory than Alex did. It's like Bird/Magic, except without any statistics to lend a cloak of objectivity.

But Alexander conquered all the way to the Indus. How does Caesar's conquests compare?

 

[markdienekes]

But Alexander conquered all the way to the Indus. How does Caesar's conquests compare?

Territory taken isn't necessarily the only mark of a great general, in my opinion anyhow. Hannibal didn't conquer that much territory, yet he was still a great general! Caesar basically reconquered the Empire of the Roman Republic during the Civil war. If we add to that his annexation of Gaul, that was quite a fair bit of land! He fought in Iberia, Illyria, Greece, Pontus, Aegyptus, Numidia and Italy. I don't think he compares unfavorably to Alexander at all - he was a great general.

 

[Dachs]

But Alexander conquered all the way to the Indus. How does Caesar's conquests compare?

Caesar basically reconquered the entire Roman empire (small E) during the civil wars.

EDIT: aaaand I didn't read the post above me.

 

[KaiserElectric]

Territory taken isn't necessarily the only mark of a great general, in my opinion anyhow. Hannibal didn't conquer that much territory, yet he was still a great general! Caesar basically reconquered the Empire of the Roman Republic during the Civil war. If we add to that his annexation of Gaul, that was quite a fair bit of land! He fought in Iberia, Illyria, Greece, Pontus, Aegyptus, Numidia and Italy. I don't think he compares unfavorably to Alexander at all - he was a great general.

Arguably, there wouldn't be a Roman Republic for Caesar to fight for had it not been for Alexander's empire.

 

[Dachs]

That's...um...irrelevant, even if it is true, and it's not, because the Roman Republic was nearly two centuries old when Alexander died.

 

[devilsadvocate]

1. Alexander
2.Scipio
3. Hannibal
I've got to say Alex, because he counquered a massive empire, plus the srongest nation in the world in only 10 years. He could've conqured to the pacific, but his troops mutinied.

 

[LightSpectra]

He could've conqured to the pacific, but his troops mutinied.

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The size of Alexander's army versus the population of every country he'd have to go through before he reached the Pacific begs to differ.

 

[Dachs]

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The size of Alexander's army versus the population of every country he'd have to go through before he reached the Pacific begs to differ.

His army wasn't very big compared to the population of Iran, Egypt, and the Levant, either.

 

[LightSpectra]

His army wasn't very big compared to the population of Iran, Egypt, and the Levant, either.

I'll rephrase: compared to the relative military capacity of the nations he'd have to go through. There's a reason he only pierced the outer kingdoms of India, and it's not just because of mutiny.

 

[Dachs]

His army wasn't very big compared to the armies of the Achaemenid Empire, either.

 

[LightSpectra]

His army wasn't very big compared to the armies of the Achaemenid Empire, either.

Not of any sort of similar magnitude to India and China. If the tiny kingdom of Paurava was able to muster up an army of similar size to what the Persians fielded at Gaugemela and Issus, that raises all sorts of questions as to how Alexander is supposed to reach the Pacific.

 

[Dachs]

Pft. Numbers alone are nothing. The mistake of an outsider.

 

[Kraznaya]

I am pure Greek; you should be in awe.