The Civilization Elimination FINALS

Louis XXIV said:
Just to fix things, since JWAT44 and I cross-posted.

JWAT44 - Babylon at 26
Pouakai - subtracted 2 from Babylon (fixed France, but not Babylon). Should be 24.

So it should currently be:

Arabia 24
Babylon 24
France 16
Inca 24
Japan 23
Siam 23
Songhai 28
Vikings 28
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thank you for that
 
Arabia 19
Babylon 23
France 15
Inca 22
Japan 19
Siam 24
Songhai 28
Denmark 29
 
Arabia 19
Babylon 23
France 15
Inca 22
Japan 19
Siam 22 (- 2)
Songhai 29 (+1)
Denmark 29

Don't have the expansions, so I will stick with Vanilla.

I had a chance in the vanilla elimination thread to get Raki (and his smug backstabbing face) down to 2 points and didn't take it. Not making that mistake again :)
 
Arabia 20 (+1)
Babylon 23
France 15
Inca 22
Japan 19
Siam 20 (-2)
Songhai 29
Denmark 29

Siam's ability is massively overrated, as are wats. I don't see the massive appeal of a wat, since plenty of other civs have much better UBs. If its the ability you want, there are plenty of better abilities out there too, and none of its uniques have any synergy whatsoever. I would rate the danes down, since I absolutely despise their civ and its useless UA, but I'm tired of trying to convince people that denmark simply is nowhere near top-tier.

Arabia's just fun though. Camels are great for sure, and bazaars alone are stronger than any UA in the game. (and almost never situational)
 
Gallean88 said:
Siam's ability is massively overrated, as are wats. I don't see the massive appeal of a wat, since plenty of other civs have much better UBs. If its the ability you want, there are plenty of better abilities out there too, and none of its uniques have any synergy whatsoever. I would rate the danes down, since I absolutely despise their civ and its useless UA, but I'm tired of trying to convince people that denmark simply is nowhere near top-tier.
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Wats are useless? Four, free universities in your biggest cities are useless? And your cities are bigger because of Siam's amazing UA. Not only will your cities grow faster, they will be more productive once you decide to have them stop growing. The bazaar, and maybe the paper maker, are the only two UB better than the Wat IMO.
 
Arabia 21
Babylon 23
France 14
Inca 22
Japan 18
Siam 17
Songhai 29
Denmark 29
 
It's really cooler than Siam or Japan

Arabia 19
Babylon 21
France 16
Inca 20
Japan 18
Siam 17
Songhai 30
Denmark 28
 
Only played as them once, but they were better than I anticipated. Not quite top-tier material, but not the worst on the list IMO. The UA is an enormous boon for warmongering (bigger than I expected) and actually a surprisingly potent money saver for wide empires. Also, while this may have been a product of my start location (or start bias perhaps), the Terrace Farms produced so much food in most of my cities that to match it with Siam's bonus (just the 50%, not the base for being allied with the city-state) I would have needed 10-12 maritime allies.

Wasn't impressed with slingers though. Naresuan's Elephant pretty much obliterates most of the competition. And I'd still say that Siam (and most of the others on the list) are superior, but I can see where the Inca love's coming from.
 
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