The cost of driving.

Mojotronica

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Do you own a car? How much does it cost you a year to own and operate it?

I bought my car used for $9000, and am closing to paying it off. I opted for the shortest possible payment schedule (36mos,) so it works out to about $300/mo -- $3600/yr.

The other costs associated w/ my car are as follows:
FIXED:
$900/year insurance.
$300/year parking.
$85/year registration fee.
$25 (I think)/every four years license renewal fee.
Total = $1291.25/yr.

VARIABLE:
Fuel is my major controllable expense. I'm paying an average of $700/year in gas, at $1.70/gallon, driving 9000 miles a year. Gas prices fluctuate, and my usage is more likely to increase than decrease.

For me, maintenance is the most stressful expense because it is one I have to set aside money to deal with. I have learned, through bitter, painful experience, that part of the responsibility of owning a car is setting aside $1000 to take care of unexpected expenses.

My last round of auto repairs cost me about that. I expect to pay no less than $300/year for oil changes and one tune-up. But maintenance is a cost that can take one by surprise.
Total = $1000 to $2000/yr, depending on how much I drive and what goes wrong.

So for the past two-and-a-half years that I have purchasing it, I have paid an average of $6400/yr or about $530/mo.

Once I have paid it off, that will decrease to $2800/yr, or about $230/mo. I'll be MUCH better off keeping my old car running than buying a new one -- $3600/yr buys A LOT of maintenance, and it's not like I need the flashy bling-bling of a sexy new car...

Sometimes I wish that Seattle had a decent mass transit system. As much as I suck at driving, I really enjoy it most of the time -- but the money I spend keeping my car running would be better spent on beer, if you get right down to it.

Does your city have a decent mass transit system? If you don't have the option of mass transit would you prefer to have it?

Back when I was poorer I used to get very frustrated with the huge cost of car ownership, and even went a couple years without one. I found it had many drawbacks. Not owning a car is sort of similar to being illiterate in a literate society. Everyone kind of expects you to be able to get around. I was stuck living along a bus corridor, and I found that my days were usually consumed with one major activity. With a car I can zip over to one place to do one thing, then zip over to another place to do another.

But I would welcome a decent mass transit system here. I think it's in the spirit of consumer empowerment to be able to choose an alternative mode of transportation. If that's not free enterprise, what is?
 
Fixed:

£600 p.a. insurance
£50 p.a. resident's parking permit
£105 p.a. car taxation
£100 p.a. approx M.O.T/servicing

= £855 p.a.

Plus at least a few hundred pounds a year for various problems that the car has, being ten years old.

I fill the tank every fortnight. The tank capacity is nine gallons, so I probably put in eight gallons, @ about £3.30 a gallon, so say £25 per fortnight, i.e. approximately £1200 p.a.


If I get a new job in the centre of London, however, we'll vary rarely use the car.

IMO, London's tube and bus systems are very good, the trains are poor, but that's not an issue in the centre of town.

Edit:

I paid £2500 for my car, IIRC.

(£1 = a US$ and a half.)
 
I have never paid over $3500 for a car, EVER, and hope I dont have to EVER. And I dont go in debt for them either. I buy em used and put about 200,000 miles on em.
 
I paid $3450 for my car : '99 Mercury Sable (79,000 miles). My California insurance was $950/yr for the minimum (liability). I've probably spent about $500 or more on gas so far... probably almost half of that from driving it cross country from California to New York.
 
Mojotronica, I don't understand. First of all, only buy new vehicles. Second, do all you own maintenance. The day I buy someone else's used, abused, unmaintained, improperly driven, poorly cared for piece of junk, will never happen. Also, the day I PAY someone ELSE an exorbitant fee to do something half-assed, that I could (and would rather) do myself, for a small, tiny fraction of the cost... well, that's not gonna happen, either.

If you're talkin' about somethin' major, like replacing the engine oil pan, or entire exhaust system - then I can see you would probably need to take it to a mechanic. I say "mechanic" because with most of those guys, I trust them about as far as I can throw them.

I know people that actually PAY to have ther wiper blades replaced! Unreal! Why don't they just throw their money in the garbage! PAY... for am oil change?! 25 bucks?! Are you nuts?! PAY... to have my tires rotated?! LOL! I'll do my own tune-up, spark plugs, air filter, PCV, brakes, degreasing, radiator flush, brake/tranny/steering fluid change, and anything else that I feel like doing, thank-you very much! Unless I need to overhaul the entire engine block of something, I'll keep my money where it belongs, and stay out of the mechanic's/aka rip-off artist's garage!

Look man, you can do this stuff on your own. It's easy. People have this wild notion that "working on cars" is some impossible thing that only certain people are capable of. No way. It's fun, it's cheap, and you know the job's getting done RIGHT, clean, etc.

Take an engine treatment kit for example... you COULD go to a wash & lube shop and... PAY... something like 60-90 bucks, maybe more in a big city, to have them do the job while you wait (well, at least, you HOPE they're doing the job, heck you don't really know what they're doing to your car, do you??)
... or you could buy the kit yourself for 15-20 bucks tops, and do a good, thorough, and proper job with it.

But, I guess most people just "don't have the time", or, "don't have the patience" to spend a few minutes on a car. Whatever. They're just throwing a way serious money. I'll never understand it.
 
:eek::eek:
I'd rather use my dad's old car or our faithful, rather efficient Mass Transit system than buy a car:)
 
Currently I get to my workplace by train (which takes lots of time, but at least I can read or sleep and don't have to care about driving) and do everything else by public transport too. Another advantage is that I'm walking a lot these days, working in a bureau the whole day a little exercise like walking 60 minutes per day is OK.

My plan is to live at least one year car-free, did this before without feeling bad. So all I pay is around 200 € for train tickets a month, which I will get easily get back by tax payback next year.
 
Originally posted by Phantom Lord
Currently I get to my workplace by train (which takes lots of time, but at least I can read or sleep and don't have to care about driving) and do everything else by public transport too. Another advantage is that I'm walking a lot these days, working in a bureau the whole day a little exercise like walking 60 minutes per day is OK.

My plan is to live at least one year car-free, did this before without feeling bad. So all I pay is around 200 € for train tickets a month, which I will get easily get back by tax payback next year.

Let me get this straight,

You get PAID to use public transport!!:crazyeye:
 
Truck payment: $300/month
Parking: $0
Registration/plates: $60/year
Insurance: Was just under $100/month (full coverage), but now about $130/month after an accident this last winter. Geico is a rip-off for me, so I don't use them. Last time I got a quote from them it was 4 times higher than what any of the local insurance companies would charge me.

Edit: Oh, and I drive 20,000+ miles/year so whatever that would figure out to be in gas/maintanence.
 
Originally posted by allhailIndia


Let me get this straight,

You get PAID to use public transport!!:crazyeye:
Not exactly for using public transport. In Germany you can deduct the cost for reaching your workplace from the tax. You can deduct the same amount (~ 0,40 €/km) no matter if you use a car or the train.

Anyway, using a car would be more expensive than travelling by train due to high fuel prices here. And yes, I probably earn money (altough not much) by travelling to my workplace, since I will be able to deduct something like 5.000 € a year from the tax.
 
In the U.S., transportation to & from work is also a tax deductible expense as well. Most people don't know about/ or bother with this, though it seems. It is a bit nit-picky, but yes, I could write-off the year's expense for driving to & from the work place, for official business purposes of course. It can add up. Hmm, I think I'll do it for this year, now that I think about it - since I'm driving a bit more now.
 
Phantom Lord,

Here in Harrisburg the Govt. pays a little stipend to anyone who uses public transportation to encourage it.
 
My Subaru Justy cost me

....$500 to buy
+ $200 for a new deck and four speakers
+ $200 for oil change, new points and plugs. (a general tune up)
..............$30 a month in gas * 12
+ $360 for one year of gas
..............$95 a month in Insurance * 12
+ $1140 for one year of Insurance
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= 2400 for my first year of owning my car.

Half of what I payed a year for my car was just in Insurance alone. Its amazing how one dent on another guys car made while backing out of a parking lot raised my Insurance from $10 monthly to $95 Monthly. It also didn't help that the guy's car I dented was the vice president for alstate Insurance company ;)

I have a few other names for my car than my justy.

"the three cylinder beast!"
"Trusty justy"
"My pimpmobile"
 
It costs me less to operate a car than it would to not operate one at all, measured not so much in alternative transport arrangements but in lost opportunities.
 
Originally posted by PantheraTigris2

But, I guess most people just "don't have the time", or, "don't have the patience" to spend a few minutes on a car. Whatever. They're just throwing a way serious money. I'll never understand it.


I've always envied guys who were comfortable working on their cars. They save tons of money and I think that guys who can fix cars have a big advantage over guys who pay for service when it comes to hooking up too. :)

I do the basic stuff -- change the wiper blades and headlights, and I can handle a tire change and a jump start.

But I live in the city and there's really no practical place for me to change my own oil. It's worth it to me to pay $100/yr to have it done professionally. Plus they ensure that it's done in a way that's environmentally sound, and I'm a bleeding-heart about that sort of thing.

As far as buying a used car, I see your point but I've had good luck with my used one... It's never failed me, and I am willing to pay for whatever the service tech says should be done to keep it that way. I trust my mechanic. And I make decent money these days. Having enough money to feel like I can keep the car running has made a big difference in my outlook on life.
 
Originally posted by Bamspeedy

Parking: $0

:) I should have put that in controllable expenses. I could park on the street if I wanted -- but I think of it as part of my rent payment, and it's REALLY nice to have a space in the city.

But if times get tight, I'll cut that expense.

On a serious note I have always insisted that my fiance park in my apts underground parking garage for safety reasons. Not that I live in a bad neighborhood, but I don't take chances with her safety.
 
0$. The parents pay it all in the meanwhile(I have a license for only a month and we have one car).

Kefka :

Subaru Justy roxxorz. :) We had one for 7 years with no serious malfunctions at all.
 
Mojo, you can pick up a 5 qt. oil pan at Wal*Mart for 5 bucks, and for 10 bucks- a nice, 20 qt (I think - but it's big), enclosed pan that makes the oil flow neatly inside it, and there's no way it can spill out until you decide to unplug the exit hole. The only thing you have to do is find a garage, shop, or dealer somewhere that will take your oil - which they'll on average charge about 2 bucks for it, in my experience. I don't know where you keep your car, but you don't need that much space to change the oil & oil filter. Get a funnel, again at Wal*Mart for about 2 or 3 bucks tops, and then, oh yeah, you'll need an oil filter wrench also - but, all of this one-time investment stuff combined, along with buying new oil & filter, will probably still be cheaper than taking the car to someone else to do it - once. And after the frist time, you're spending minimal money on changing oil - a fraction of the price you'd be paying to have someone else do it. And on top of that, you know it's decent oil, a good filter, and the job's getting done properly, cleanly, etc.

I taken my car ONCE IN MY LIFE to someone else to do an oil change on it (I was in a hurry). And here's what happened... (btw, changing oil & other lubricants was ALL the people at this place did for a LIVING!)

1. The metal washer for the engine oil pan plug was lost. I had to find a new one.

2. They gave me a crappy, total piece of junk oil filter, heck I think it was recycled or something.

3. I specifically told them "it takes a full 5 quarts". But, after about 2 or 3 days, my 'check engine soon' idiot light came on when I was driving on the highway. They put in significantly less than 5 quarts - just the bare minimum, and the engine didn't like it. I had to TAKE IT BACK, and get them to put more oil in it, like they should have the fiirst time.

4. Instead of an emaculate, clean, flawless job under the engine, there was oil splotches all over, and I had to clean it up. It looked like crap under there. I can't imagine what the undercarriage of a car would look like after an entire lifetime of going to a nasty, filthy mechanic.

5. The oil they put in my engine was questionable. I opted for the "higher" brand of oil they had to offer, but as I watched them apply it, there was NO way to know - whatsoever- what kind of oil they were putting into the car. Oil is important, it's not something you just want to "hope" they gave you the good stuff.

6. While I was there, they tried to talk me into all kinds of things I didn't need, like: transmission fluid flush/change, power steering fluid change, and oh yeah, you probably need your fuel injection system cleaned - you need it with every oil change, you know. :rolleyes:

I could go on, but you get the idea. That was the last time I let anyone work on my car. Waste of money. And the LAST thing it was, was "quick".

I almost walked out of there, when he told me, "ya know, yer power steerin' juice looks a little murky there, might wanna think 'bout changin' it"... yeah, that's it. In reality, the reserve container is not completely transparent, and it just gives the APPEARANCE of being "murky". But, if you actually OPEN it, and LOOK at the fluid (imagine that!) you'll easily see it's totally clean.... which you would thinks so, since I HAD just changed it 5k miles prior!

I'm done talking about mechanics. They must think I'm stupid or something. "You need this... you need that.... well, not really, but yeah, go ahead and pay me a hundred bucks to do it, instead of doing it for 20 bucks yourself.... we'll take good care[ of ya!" - No thanks.

Here's the deal with mechanics... they're not that smart, that's WHY they're mechanics. They work on cars for a living, doing mostly basic stuff over and over. They're not nuclear scientists, and they know they never will be. Most of them just want to con you out of as much money as they can... and as long as they think you won't know otherwise, heck, they'll just scam you big-time. I know someone that had spent (over a couple of years) THREE & A HALF THOUSAND dollars...

...on trying to get the air conditioner fixed on an '88 Toyota Carolla! How is that possbile?! - you ask. It was an old lady, and the mechanic was sabotaging the car to break down (not really fixing the air conditioner, meanwhile arranging it so some ELSE would ALSO go wrong... eventually. Well, it's a long story, and I know plenty others like it. It's just so easy to do. If I were a mechaninc, and you were to come into my shop for an oil change, tune up, tire rotation, stuff like that - and I felt like making a lot of money that day, well, shoot -
 
PT2 --

What a horror story. I can see why you DIY.

My mechanic is an old friend f/ high school, so I trust him implicitly.

If times get tight, maybe I'll ask him to teach me some additional money-saving tips and tricks.
 
Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
Get a funnel, again at Wal*Mart for about 2 or 3 bucks tops,
Most gas stations have those paper thow away funnels on there Islands that you can just grab and change away.



Here's the deal with mechanics... they're not that smart, that's WHY they're mechanics. They work on cars for a living, doing mostly basic stuff over and over.

I had this one guy at this car sterio place I went to tell me that he couldn't get my new deck all the way in because the slot it went into was too shallow, so he left it hanging out.
I knew he was talking out his ass and didn't want to do the work of hooking it in right, because the deck that was taken out was the EXACT same size!
 
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