The Devil is Six
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r_rolo1
King of myself
Updated the report.
Sorry on the delay, but I went to check my offline current game ( basically , I'm playing a a offline version of RR13 to get some sense of the things, since the spy game in BtS is hardly documented in the scale we are making it there ) after I played and posted the save and ended playing until 5 AM
Sorry on the delay, but I went to check my offline current game ( basically , I'm playing a a offline version of RR13 to get some sense of the things, since the spy game in BtS is hardly documented in the scale we are making it there ) after I played and posted the save and ended playing until 5 AM
shyuhe
Deity
Can we trade philo for HBR with Saladin to make him friendly and try to get guilds/banking from him? It'd be nice to get the free GM from economics.
The GM from economics would certainly be nice to upgrade our army. However, presumably guilds obsoletes the unit that HBR gives, which coincidentally is our UU (which I doubt I actually ever built 
). Maybe we should build those units first? Especially if we're looking for cuirs/cavs at some point.
Do we actually want economics from lib? Maybe we can try for MT? We could get aesthetics+HBR from WvO presumably and maybe self teching lit/music/nationalism is doable before somebody else hits edu. Without gunpowder having MT doesn't yet obsolete knights/UU yet, does it?
). Maybe we should build those units first? Especially if we're looking for cuirs/cavs at some point.Do we actually want economics from lib? Maybe we can try for MT? We could get aesthetics+HBR from WvO presumably and maybe self teching lit/music/nationalism is doable before somebody else hits edu. Without gunpowder having MT doesn't yet obsolete knights/UU yet, does it?
r_rolo1
King of myself
Well, we can make Numidians even with guilds if we have no iron connected ( and if we have HBR , OFC )
Well, about knights getting obsolete ... the online resources here in CFC say that Knights upgrade to cavs, so, if that is true, we can build knights until we can get cavs. I'm not so sure on this, so I'll check it when in a civ-able comp.
EDIT: the CFC source, as usual, is wrong : knights upgrade to cuirs. So yes, nocho, we will be unable to make knights ( and numidians ) as soon as we get MT + gunpowder.
Well, about knights getting obsolete ... the online resources here in CFC say that Knights upgrade to cavs, so, if that is true, we can build knights until we can get cavs. I'm not so sure on this, so I'll check it when in a civ-able comp.
EDIT: the CFC source, as usual, is wrong : knights upgrade to cuirs. So yes, nocho, we will be unable to make knights ( and numidians ) as soon as we get MT + gunpowder.
I could use some input on how to proceed with tech and what to take from liberalism. 
If we trade philo around we can get more competition for lib. A save route may be to trade paper/HBR with Napoleon and try to get out 6 Numidians asap while we self-tech guilds (which obsoletes the Numidians). Those Numidians could be mass-whipped just before we hit guilds. Then continue banking and take economics from lib and use the GM for mass-upgrading.
Or we trade philo away to the dutch for HBR/aesth, trade/self tech literature/music, tech nationalism and take MT from lib, but that is riskier business, if only because libbing nationalism as an emergency option may be out if we're half way nationalism when someone can start lib. As long as we don't get gunpowder I understand that with MT we still can make numidians and knights (after guilds). I would like literature sooner rather than later so we can build both epics, especially the HE will help to spit out all those units. NE won't be bad either, though unfortunately we don't have marble (which also sucks if we would be eyeing Taj). If we trade philo away to the Dutch we might take Sal's cash for philo and to get him to friendly. But how to take guilds then in trade? Edu and hold our breath while we tech banking? Sounds risky...
Or maybe there are other lib-options? Printing press to boost our villages/towns??
Oh, I see the Dutch are assembling a stack near St Petersburg, but WvO is not red-fisted. Should we be afraid?
If we trade philo around we can get more competition for lib. A save route may be to trade paper/HBR with Napoleon and try to get out 6 Numidians asap while we self-tech guilds (which obsoletes the Numidians). Those Numidians could be mass-whipped just before we hit guilds. Then continue banking and take economics from lib and use the GM for mass-upgrading.
Or we trade philo away to the dutch for HBR/aesth, trade/self tech literature/music, tech nationalism and take MT from lib, but that is riskier business, if only because libbing nationalism as an emergency option may be out if we're half way nationalism when someone can start lib. As long as we don't get gunpowder I understand that with MT we still can make numidians and knights (after guilds). I would like literature sooner rather than later so we can build both epics, especially the HE will help to spit out all those units. NE won't be bad either, though unfortunately we don't have marble (which also sucks if we would be eyeing Taj). If we trade philo away to the Dutch we might take Sal's cash for philo and to get him to friendly. But how to take guilds then in trade? Edu and hold our breath while we tech banking? Sounds risky...
Or maybe there are other lib-options? Printing press to boost our villages/towns??
Oh, I see the Dutch are assembling a stack near St Petersburg, but WvO is not red-fisted. Should we be afraid?
shyuhe
Deity
We can disconnect iron to allow Numidians for longer.
Good job, r_rolo.
I don't see much use for Nationalism atm. so I'd definitely go for Lib -> Economics.
Printing Press is always a good tech but it's simply a weaker option here...
I suggest we play nice with Nappy so we can bribe him into Willem before attacking Izzy.
I don't see much use for Nationalism atm. so I'd definitely go for Lib -> Economics.
Printing Press is always a good tech but it's simply a weaker option here...
I suggest we play nice with Nappy so we can bribe him into Willem before attacking Izzy.
I'm sorry but I won't have the time this week to play a proper set so if anybody feels like keeping this afloat, please call in... I had hoped to get to this during the weekend, but unfortunately didn't have the time nor the energy.
I'd appreciate that, thanks.
Not gonna make a fancy spreadsheet this time I'm afraid. I think we've already passed the point where a thorough worker micro is necessary.
Regarding the general plan I like the first option nocho proposed:
1) Trade Paper for HBR with Nappy. Switch to Guilds.
2) Switch to Numidians in our production cities.
3) Build/whip 6 Numidians while teching Guilds. If one of AIs decides to trade it, we might give him something reasonable for it.
4) Finish Guilds, continue with Banking. (Pillage Iron if we don't finish Numidians in time, thanks shyuhe!)
5) Build Maces, Knights while teching Banking.
6) Finish Banking, continue with Lib.
7) Lib Economics. Mass upgrades.
...
8) Bribe Nappy into war with Willem, declare on Izzy.
Point 8 is obviously just a fragment of my grand plan and I doubt I will get thus far. Besides, I think it's wise to stop and reassess before making such huge decisions.
I'd like to play tonight or perhpas tomorrow in the morning as I won't have much time during the week.
Regarding the general plan I like the first option nocho proposed:
1) Trade Paper for HBR with Nappy. Switch to Guilds.
2) Switch to Numidians in our production cities.
3) Build/whip 6 Numidians while teching Guilds. If one of AIs decides to trade it, we might give him something reasonable for it.
4) Finish Guilds, continue with Banking. (Pillage Iron if we don't finish Numidians in time, thanks shyuhe!)
5) Build Maces, Knights while teching Banking.
6) Finish Banking, continue with Lib.
7) Lib Economics. Mass upgrades.
...
8) Bribe Nappy into war with Willem, declare on Izzy.
Point 8 is obviously just a fragment of my grand plan and I doubt I will get thus far. Besides, I think it's wise to stop and reassess before making such huge decisions.
I'd like to play tonight or perhpas tomorrow in the morning as I won't have much time during the week.
Played my set.
EDIT: Report
Started off by making this trade with Nappy:
With HBR in I switched from Maces to Numidians in our Production cities.
Research was set towards Guilds.
Izzy used AP to stop the war with Churchill...
...and she suceeded:
Sal started plotting war.
So did Nappy.
In fact, it was a backstab.(red fist for just 1 Turn) Willem was the obvious target.
Justinian got Banking and Sal got both Banking and Education on the last turn of my turn set.
It would therefore be wise to make this deal with Justi and Lib Economics next Turn.
Overview of the Land:
Diplo:
EDIT: Report
Started off by making this trade with Nappy:
With HBR in I switched from Maces to Numidians in our Production cities.
Research was set towards Guilds.
Izzy used AP to stop the war with Churchill...
...and she suceeded:
Sal started plotting war.
So did Nappy.
In fact, it was a backstab.(red fist for just 1 Turn) Willem was the obvious target.
Justinian got Banking and Sal got both Banking and Education on the last turn of my turn set.
It would therefore be wise to make this deal with Justi and Lib Economics next Turn.
Overview of the Land:
Diplo:
Thanks Ororo for the turnset - looking forward to the report.
Some thoughts from a quick look;
Some thoughts from a quick look;
- Once we get a few Knights, I think that we should at least examine the possibility of some Worker steals from England. The limit of six Workers is still hurting, even after all this time with still quite a bit of land undeveloped.
- I think that St. Petersburg could be running Merchants as well as Scientists in its mix. No harm in popping a Great Merchant I'd suggest.
- Economics is under real threat given that Saladin can now research it. I'd seriously consider the Education <> Banking+ trade with Justinian and slinging Economics the next turn, hoping that Arabia doesn't get there inter-turn. If so - Printing Press does look like a good alternative.
- I've got no issue with a bit more strategic whipping in a few cities. We do have a bit of whip weariness here and there, but I'm fine to see a bit more.
- Doolittle is a production site but has a "Comm" sign hanging over it. I'm sure there's good reason why it's building 'Wealth', but I'd propose that we need to get out more units if we can.
shyuhe
Deity
We should start thinking about war once we get the economics GM, as we'll have cash to do some nifty upgrades and can start poaching some cities. The two obvious victims are Willem and Izzy. Not sure which one has more workers to offer us.
Thanks Ororo! I think this week should be a bit calmer for me than last week so I'll put myself back in the front lines, if you don't mind.
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shyuhe - Standing by
Cam
rolo
I'll have a look this evening. With Sal close to economics I agree to trade for banking and libbing the merchant. ToA was in Amsterdam IIRC, I suppose that must be the best destination despite its relative proximity (maybe unless Nappy takes it). I wonder, can't we get engineering in the trading process? Don't know though if we have all the spears already and if we don't, whether that's really an issue.
So Sal is red-fisted? Does he declare at pleased? If not I guess he must be looking at WvO as well. If so, maybe we better jump the bandwagon and see if there are some spoils left for us. However, somehow all along I thought of Izzy as the most natural 1st target.
Roster:
nocho - Up
Ororo - just played
Sengir - On deck
shyuhe - Standing by
Cam
rolo
I'll have a look this evening. With Sal close to economics I agree to trade for banking and libbing the merchant. ToA was in Amsterdam IIRC, I suppose that must be the best destination despite its relative proximity (maybe unless Nappy takes it). I wonder, can't we get engineering in the trading process? Don't know though if we have all the spears already and if we don't, whether that's really an issue.
So Sal is red-fisted? Does he declare at pleased? If not I guess he must be looking at WvO as well. If so, maybe we better jump the bandwagon and see if there are some spoils left for us. However, somehow all along I thought of Izzy as the most natural 1st target.
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