The Downfall - New Hitler film

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August 25, 2004

A decades-long taboo has been broken in Germany by a film in which Adolf Hitler appears for the first time in a central role, not as a ranting demagogue but as a soft-spoken dreamer.

The Downfall is a huge shift from the previous tendency in German cinema to show Hitler only as a background figure or a character who does not appear on camera at all.

It tells the story of the last 12 days of Hitler's life in his 7.5-metre-deep bunker in Berlin - including his suicide with his new wife Eva Braun on April 30, 1945 - while liberating Soviet troops pulverise the city with shellfire.

The production by Bernd Eichinger, a respected director, is likely to cause controversy when it opens in German cinemas next month. It depicts the Fuehrer as an avuncular character with a penchant for chocolate cake, who slides into madness when his lifelong dream of a 1000-year Reich slips from his grasp.

Hitler is convincingly played by the star German actor Bruno Ganz.

In one scene Ganz depicts him with his hair in his eyes, tears streaming down his cheeks, as he declares: "The war is over."

Hitler is shown stroking his alsatian Blondie and treating his secretary with tenderness and patience. Until he starts having hysterical fits, Ganz's Hitler talks in a soft, melodic Austrian accent, far different from the barking tone he adopted for his mass rallies. The director said the voice was copied from the single surviving recording of Hitler talking in normal tones.

Eichinger, who also wrote the screenplay, reconstructs the last days of the Third Reich as seen from the dim, claustrophobic bunker with the help of diary extracts and witness accounts.

The Downfall has been welcomed by critics for demythologising Hitler - even before they have had the chance to see it. Others say the debate is in danger of playing into the hands of those who play down the crimes of the Holocaust.

The Telegraph, London

Hitler cried ?
And He only became delusial 12 days before committing suicide ?
This flys in the face of hes military actions and eyewitnesses.
Remember the footage of him awarding medals to Hitler youths ?

There were a few instances where Hilter did let hes fascade slip. Like the immense stress he bore during the battle of france and him realising after Stalingrade he had lost the war in the east.

I think by this time Hitler was living in his own "fantasy world". Speers reading of Hitler was that he wanted to take the entire German people down with him.
This will be an insteresting film
 
I'm very interested in seeing this. Being in the States, I'm not exactly sure how to go about seeing this film in a more or less convenient way, any suggestions?
 
Is it going to be shown in Europe?
 
FriendlyFire said:
Hitler cried ?
And He only became delusial 12 days before committing suicide ?
This flys in the face of hes military actions and eyewitnesses.
Remember the footage of him awarding medals to Hitler youths ?

Why shouldn't he cry?
And why is the author so shocked that he is portrayed as liking chocolate cake and his dog?

There is a tendency to portray Hitler and his henchmen as one-dimensional, demonic figures who are somehow different from 'ordinary' people - to me, it is far more frightening how ordinary they were in many respects in contrast to the evil they perpetrated!

I will be interested to see this movie - anything that helps us understand how Hitler inspired so much loyalty from so many for so long a time will certainly be worth seeing.

BTW, I think you misunderstand about the delusions; the author says:
'Until he starts having hysterical fits, Ganz's Hitler talks in a soft, melodic Austrian accent'
This isn't to say he had no delusions before those 12 last days, he's just talking about the contrast in speaking modes.
 
I recommend John Tolands Adolf Hitler Biography.

Requires a lot of reading comprehension, but it is very unbiased to the point that you wish the author would comment a bit more.


"even before they have had the chance to see it"


I will not do the same and comment on a movie before I have seen it and rely on 2nd hand information.

Besides, I doubt that anything related to WW2 / Hitler and stuff necessarily means that it is a good and worthwhile movie, controversial or not. They are given by far too much credit just because of the topic.
 
'Others say the debate is in danger of playing into the hands of those who play down the crimes of the Holocaust'

I just hate this knee-jerk argument! Anyone who tries to understand how the Holocaust came to be and points out the relative normality of the perpetrators is accused of 'playing down' the Holocaust - especially if he happens to be German!

One of the most horrible things about the Holocaust IMO is how otherwise normal people were coopted into participating in it. Yes, there were thugs and sadists among them, but many of the worst offenders were ordinary men and women who believed they were 'just doing their duty'.
Even Hitler was surely not a caricature demon - the fact that he was kind to dogs and children makes his other acts more horrible, not less!
 
It certainly looks interesting. The only other film I can think of that even remotely suggests Hitler's "other" nature is Chaplin's Adenoid Hinkel in The Great Dictator although the dance scene with the inflatable globe was a joke.
 
Hitler was just a puppet leader for the Nazis. There were men behind the scenes who weld the true power of Nazi Germany. Read about it sometime. There was a whole Nazi occult before Hitler was even involved in it. He was actually involved in the Communist party for some time. He was only chosen to lead the Nazi Party for his popularity and vigor with the people. Others pulled the strings, and were never caught.
 
BTW, I think you misunderstand about the delusions; the author says:
'Until he starts having hysterical fits, Ganz's Hitler talks in a soft, melodic Austrian accent'
This isn't to say he had no delusions before those 12 last days, he's just talking about the contrast in speaking modes.

I remember quite well how he would fly into a rage when ever hes generals tried to get him to "retreat" and this was well before the failed assaination attempt.
You may be right he was slipping. Many have stated this started once the war began to turn against him. I remember how many generals would try to reason with hitler only to be lecture by him for a full 2hrs (It was the same old rubbish), Then Hitler would give them there marching orders no arguments allowed.

It seems such a contrast Hitlers actions were quite cowardly.
 
did anyone see that documentary of hitler's secretary?? I saw it a year ago in cinema in Brazil... so i think it's fairly new
anyway from her description Hitler seemed fairly insane... it will be interesting to see how this movie compares with it
 
Interesting film. Hopefully one of thesmaller cinemas here will play it.
 
I read a book on Hitler once, I don't know how true it was though... it stated he got into some pretty sick rituals, one passage said he like to eat (four letters)
 
There is a tendency to portray Hitler and his henchmen as one-dimensional, demonic figures who are somehow different from 'ordinary' people

Ya I've noticed this too, especially with Rommel.

I wouldn't mind seeing this. Wonder if they touch on his disease, think it was parkinsons but I can't remember
 
There is a tendency to portray Hitler and his henchmen as one-dimensional, demonic figures who are somehow different from 'ordinary' people - to me, it is far more frightening how ordinary they were in many respects in contrast to the evil they perpetrated!

agreed. Allthough I am not sure I will watch the movie, as I have seen and read enough about Hitler. I am not sure the fascination with him is really healthy for anyone, as the evils of Nazi Germany took millions.

I seriously doubt Hitler was a fecalpheliac... just one of those demonizing writings I would assume.
 
Esckey said:
Ya I've noticed this too, especially with Rommel.

I wouldn't mind seeing this. Wonder if they touch on his disease, think it was parkinsons but I can't remember

Yes, the article I read in Der Spiegel about the film specifically mentioned that he probably had Parkinsons, so I believe it's in the film.
 
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