the Enlightenment: Who What When Where?

Gori the Grey

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Has any intellectual development of magnitude equivalent to the Enlightenment happened since the Enlightenment?

Or is modern thinking still best described as post-Enlightenment?
 
I think that it's too early to tell. Also, you could argue that large parts of the world have never embraced the Enlightenment mindset yet. Also, could the European!Enlightenment happen or have happened in a society other than that of sightly post-mediaeval Western Europe?
 
In response to my question, I'm open to learning about intellectual developments outside of the West, but of a magnitude equivalent to what the Enlightenment was for Europe for some Europe-equivalent region, multi-nation region.
 
I don't know, but how long did it take people to realise that the Enlightenment had happened? The development of empiricism led to the Industrial Revolution, which in some ways is still ongoing. I suppose that the two most obvious alternatives for mind-opening experiences would be meeting new consciousnesses altogether: either we create a truly sentient AI or we meet extraterrestrial life.
 
Replaceable Parts might be its own thing, emerging from the Enlightenment but distinct enough to count as its own thing, and probably having an impact on society as significant as the Enlightenment. So maybe that, yes, though it's really just one very focused idea that happens to have a huge practical impact. Your other two are hypothetical.

Death of God, maybe, though that itself comes pretty directly from the Enlightenment.

I suppose the verdict is out on how impactful post-structuralism is going to prove to be.
 
Has any intellectual development of magnitude equivalent to the Enlightenment happened since the Enlightenment?

Or is modern thinking still best described as post-Enlightenment?
Modern thinking is more like The Stupid Ages.
 
I don't know, but how long did it take people to realise that the Enlightenment had happened? The development of empiricism led to the Industrial Revolution, which in some ways is still ongoing. I suppose that the two most obvious alternatives for mind-opening experiences would be meeting new consciousnesses altogether: either we create a truly sentient AI or we meet extraterrestrial life.

There have been multiple industrial revolutions during the past umpteen thousand years. Each has had profound effects on humanity and (increasingly) on non-human life.
 
That happens when you "kill your gods" and put humans as a throne-worthy ape.

;)
 
I also think the enlightenment is specifically western european.
In many respects, it mimicked generally analogous eras in the classical/hellenistic world, multiplied by the more stable (fewer existential wars) area it was acting upon.
 
Seems worthy of its own thread!

What was it?
What were the first indicators of the coming change?
Where did those happen?
Was European Enlightenment an extension of Muslim thinking?
 
Really depends on what we consider magnitude. The Age of Enlightenment was preceded by a bunch of (no less important) priors. It inspired events that followed, and even informed future counter-cultural movements against it.

Honestly, I think it's overrated. It's important, for sure, much like any other historical flashpoint is important (historically), but a lot of weight is put on it as some kind of singularly Western victory for rationalism and The Right Stuff. And it's not the Age's fault that people ascribe these values to it, but the assumptions are worth interrogating when we in the modern day discuss its value, and the value of things compared to it.
 
The new trait seems to be that you now had different stable-ish entities, close to each other, that aspired to be (also) about knowledge, instead of that being done either only in cults or the one civ here and there (Greece, China etc).
Obviously barbarism didn't stop in other areas. And some of the primary thinkers were rather horrible in many ways (eg Descartes).
 
Has any intellectual development of magnitude equivalent to the Enlightenment happened since the Enlightenment?

Or is modern thinking still best described as post-Enlightenment?

Nope. Human intellectual development has remained the same for about 300,000 years, anatomically modern Homo Sapien cranial development being the absolute basis for all abstract thought and philosophical reasoning since.

Many so called enlightenment philosophies, even philosophies of the 19th and 20th centuries are merely rehashings of much older concepts just in the context of newer tech. Human discourse and debate will therefore likely remain about the same going forward until intellectual experience can transcend the current biological limitations of the flesh.
 
Has any intellectual development of magnitude equivalent to the Enlightenment happened since the Enlightenment?

Or is modern thinking still best described as post-Enlightenment?

When you close your eyes you see the insides of your eyelids, the skin and blood, and the swirling iridescent oils of your eyes, illuminated by what light gets through.
Facts
 
I'm thinking that the European Enlightenment (17th and 18th centuries) was just the follow up the the Islamic Golden Age (8th to the 13th Centuries) with the Renaissance (15th and 16th centuries) in between. the Islamic House of Wisdom seemed to be the foundation of Islamic knowledge and philosophy.

  • Flourishing of Islam and its Capital Bagdad (House of Wisdom)
  • Mongol conquest of Bagdad 1258 and the collapse of Medieval Islam
  • First European printing presses 1439-1455
  • Fall of Constantinople in 1453
  • Italian Renaissance beginning soon there after
  • Europe discovers the New World and sailing to Asia by 1500
  • The Reformation 1519
  • Copernicus launches the Scientific Revolution in 1543
  • Descartes publishes in 1637
  • The Enlightenment then follows.

Given the actual slow pace of history and transfer of knowledge across cultures, The Enlightenment seems to follow pretty naturally from the past.

From Wiki

Definition[edit]​

The term "Enlightenment" emerged in English in the latter part of the 19th century,[144] with particular reference to French philosophy, as the equivalent of the French term Lumières (used first by Jean-Baptiste Dubos in 1733 and already well established by 1751). From Kant's 1784 essay "Beantwortung der Frage: Was ist Aufklärung?" ("Answering the Question: What is Enlightenment?"), the German term became Aufklärung (aufklären=to illuminate; sich aufklären=to clear up). However, scholars have never agreed on a definition of the Enlightenment or on its chronological or geographical extent. Terms like les Lumières (French), illuminismo (Italian), ilustración (Spanish) and Aufklärung (German) referred to partly overlapping movements. Not until the late 19th century did English scholars agree they were talking about "the Enlightenment".[142][145]
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Enlightenment historiography began in the period itself, from what Enlightenment figures said about their work. A dominant element was the intellectual angle they took. Jean le Rond d'Alembert's Preliminary Discourse of l'Encyclopédie provides a history of the Enlightenment which comprises a chronological list of developments in the realm of knowledge—of which the Encyclopédie forms the pinnacle.[146] In 1783, Mendelssohn referred to Enlightenment as a process by which man was educated in the use of reason.[147] Kant called Enlightenment "man's release from his self-incurred tutelage", tutelage being "man's inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another".[148] "For Kant, Enlightenment was mankind's final coming of age, the emancipation of the human consciousness from an immature state of ignorance".[149] The German scholar Ernst Cassirer called the Enlightenment "a part and a special phase of that whole intellectual development through which modern philosophic thought gained its characteristic self-confidence and self-consciousness".[150] According to historian Roy Porter, the liberation of the human mind from a dogmatic state of ignorance, is the epitome of what the Age of Enlightenment was trying to capture.[151]

Bertrand Russell saw the Enlightenment as a phase in a progressive development which began in antiquity and that reason and challenges to the established order were constant ideals throughout that time.[152] Russell said that the Enlightenment was ultimately born out of the Protestant reaction against the Catholic Counter-Reformation and that philosophical views such as affinity for democracy against monarchy originated among 16th-century Protestants to justify their desire to break away from the Catholic Church. Although many of these philosophical ideals were picked up by Catholics, Russell argues that by the 18th century the Enlightenment was the principal manifestation of the schism that began with Martin Luther.[152]

Jonathan Israel rejects the attempts of postmodern and Marxian historians to understand the revolutionary ideas of the period purely as by-products of social and economic transformations.[153] He instead focuses on the history of ideas in the period from 1650 to the end of the 18th century and claims that it was the ideas themselves that caused the change that eventually led to the revolutions of the latter half of the 18th century and the early 19th century.[154] Israel argues that until the 1650s Western civilization "was based on a largely shared core of faith, tradition, and authority".[155]

Time span[edit]​

There is little consensus on the precise beginning of the Age of Enlightenment, though several historians and philosophers argue that it was marked by Descartes' 1637 philosophy of Cogito, ergo sum ("I think, therefore I am"), which shifted the epistemological basis from external authority to internal certainty.[156][157][158] In France, many cited the publication of Newton's Principia Mathematica (1687),[159] which built upon the work of earlier scientists and formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation.[160] The middle of the 17th century (1650) or the beginning of the 18th century (1701) are often used as epochs.[citation needed] French historians usually place the Siècle des Lumières ("Century of Enlightenments") between 1715 and 1789: from the beginning of the reign of Louis XV until the French Revolution.[161] Most scholars use the last years of the century, often choosing the French Revolution or the beginning of the Napoleonic Wars (1804) as a convenient point in time with which to date the end of the Enlightenment.[162]

In recent years, scholars have expanded the time span and global perspective of the Enlightenment by examining: (1) how European intellectuals did not work alone and other people helped spread and adapt Enlightenment ideas, (2) how Enlightenment ideas were "a response to cross-border interaction and global integration", and (3) how the Enlightenment "continued throughout the nineteenth century and beyond."[3] The Enlightenment "was not merely a history of diffusion" and "was the work of historical actors around the world... who invoked the term... for their own specific purposes."[3]

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In contrast to the intellectual historiographical approach of the Enlightenment, which examines the various currents or discourses of intellectual thought within the European context during the 17th and 18th centuries, the cultural (or social) approach examines the changes that occurred in European society and culture. This approach studies the process of changing sociabilities and cultural practices during the Enlightenment.

One of the primary elements of the culture of the Enlightenment was the rise of the public sphere, a "realm of communication marked by new arenas of debate, more open and accessible forms of urban public space and sociability, and an explosion of print culture", in the late 17th century and 18th century.[167] Elements of the public sphere included that it was egalitarian, that it discussed the domain of "common concern", and that argument was founded on reason.[168] Habermas uses the term "common concern" to describe those areas of political/social knowledge and discussion that were previously the exclusive territory of the state and religious authorities, now open to critical examination by the public sphere. The values of this bourgeois public sphere included holding reason to be supreme, considering everything to be open to criticism (the public sphere is critical), and the opposition of secrecy of all sorts.[169]


 
I wonder if Marx and Freud together represent an intellectual transformation of somewhat similar magnitude: looking past surfaces to deep structures governing our personal and social lives. And you'd throw Darwin in the mix too, somehow.
 
I often think of the two and Nietzsche in a cohort of people who experienced the modern world early.
 
I always chalked it sort of up to a technologically advancing society having a lot more room for idle hands to write abstract musings and time for literate eyes to spend the time reading that sort of thing.
 
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