The Entire Thought Experiment

[nocho]

Ah, so I'm actually up! Jolly.

I'll go warrior 1N and if nothing special will SIP and go worker first, researching mining and BW. Well, will get back to you after mining or thereabouts.

Will produce first turns this evening if no objections are made meanwhile.

 

[Folket]

Do we really need bronze working that early?

 

[lymond]

Do we really need bronze working that early?

um..yeah...why would you not with this start. We start Ag/TW. There's forest everywhere, including every visible hill. Other than going AH, which is not really a good idea, the worker would have nothing to do but build roads. BW opens up tremendous hammer potential early and the faster you get that the better. BW a top 1 or 2 tech in a very large % of my games depending on starting techs/land. Only real reason for Fishing is to open up a little more commerce potential and a scout WB, but it is not that high a priority, although I do like getting Fishing pretty early here...mainly for the WB.

 

[Folket]

I'm sorry, I was living with the delusion that mining would allow us to chop forests. Yes, I would like bronze working as well.

 

[LKendter]

Lurker mode = on.

Immortal & variants - you guys are pushing the envelope to the max.

 

[nocho]

Our warrior found a gold when going 1N, so that made SIP even better. It also took away a last shimmer of doubt about whether to go fishing before BW regarding commerce, so played up to BW.

We met China, SB and Vox Populi (Lincoln). In the latter case I only heard the voice of their people, but didn't see an actual unit.

No bronze in sight. Our warrior went south and found what looks like a peninsula with stone, cow and 2 FPs. Knowing about Cam's love of mids I guess this stone may have a purpose.

Haven't revolted to slavery yet. Mysticism is a place holder. With gold and without copper, AH next makes quite some sense too now.

 

[lymond]

Yeah, I kinda like AH here since we have the gold. We could use a bit more food. In fact, fishing really goes down in priority now since we met some AIs and there's no seafood in sight. I did not expect to meet so many AIs so quickly on Archi. Scout WB still might be nice at some point, but no biggie right now.

Surrounding land looks a bit suspect though at this point.

Nocho, that's quite a trek you took to the south.

 

[vranasm]

will take a look closer later, but actually the gold is quite good surprise because it can actually mean we should go for the GLH...

I think we have to decide about GLH before my tS, since if we go for it, I will have to start fishing/sailing right now.

if we don't go GLH, I can see us going AH

I don't think we should/need to switch into slavery until some emergency.

doesn't look like we found good city spot 2... the north seems to be about jungles, the south is very crappy...

 

[Cam_H]

Knowing about Cam's love of mids I guess this stone may have a purpose.

I yearn... !

I crave ... !!

I obsess ... !!!

... and yet surprisingly the map tossed the Stone there completely 'unaided'! Dunno ... Philosophical leader, nearby Stone ...

Frankly, only a very few tweaks to the map other than I swapped the starting positions for several AI tribes. For the record, I didn't convert to land to any ocean tiles. We started with 'cow glitch', so 'voila!' ... grasslands cows!

Nice turnset.

I'm happy to swap into Slavery at the first opportunity (unless there's a build about to complete).

 

[vranasm]

while I respect our leader's love I don't really think Mids are strong play here...

but if going Mids can convince roster for fishing, sailing, masonry as tech path for now I am all for it .

 

[Cam_H]

Image removed due to public decency concerns.

 

[nocho]

So that's a picture of you, Tarzan? For somebody loving the mids you're looking the wrong way. They're not that easy to miss, I reckon.

 

[Folket]

Poor guy. When all the way there and missed them. Must felt hell to see the picture when you got back and realize how close you were.

 

[astre]

we are at a corner, do we take the GLH gambit or the oracle gambit?

going both ways seems likely failing both.
The GLH is the more powerfull but also the most likely to fail.
Oracle should be fairely open on the contrary but for which tech as CoL is not necessary because of zigura? currency would be strong but hard while MC is the easiest choice.

I did not look at the save so no opinion yet but a secure oracle seems tempting.

warrior must still find our 2nd city spot (1W of our warior?). the stone have a decent one (on river, between both irrigated) but not a second city (too far)

 

[lymond]

Cam! The Great Pyramid! It's right behind you! Oh! OH! I can't believe you missed them!

I'm fine with GLH. Generally a great play on this map. However, I tell ya, for an Archi map that is some absolutely horrid looking coast right now. I guess the cities will still pay for themselves, but I hope we find some better stuff in the fog. Good thing we scouted all that tundra and ice

 

[nocho]

Haha, yeah probably I strayed a bit too far south. I was about to turn back when the first FP showed up and then had hopes to find a lush area. The tundra and ice unfortunately did not live up to that expectation, I'll have to admit. The shape of the land also didn't allow for a very optimal scouting path, I must say.

 

[vranasm]

ok kinda PPP .

worker

2 turns finishing gold mine, move 1SE, chop tree, move GH, chop GH, mine GH - should be ~14 turns

initially though about roading the gold mine, but I think getting some early chops should be better

capital

there is couple different options... depends on how quickly we want settler. I think both chops should be used into settler, there will be used some queue build switching imo

I think the plan is to work corn, gold mine all the time.

I could stall 2 turns on PH to get out another warrior and grow to size 3 and send the warrior to spawnbust south stone.

I am not too fond of queuing settler size 3 until finishing though... there isn't good outlook on city spot 2

we could go for worker before settler too, but we will most probably use all trees this way too soon.

for the time being I forsee us building warriors with queuing settler for the chops

techpath

I think we have to decide right now about GLH and have to ask whole rota to vote on the matter, if they want to go GLH or not

GLH means - we tech fishing, sailing through my TS
no GLH means - we tech AH and then most probably mysticism

current vote status

GLH - vranasm

no GLH -

 

[Folket]

I would like to hear what the usual date are for a GLH. Without that knowledge I'm unable to make up my mind.

 

[nocho]

Since we have some leeway because of the gold, I'd gamble on squeezing in AH first and then go GLH.

 

[pigswill]

Usual dates may be unhelpful when some very kind person gives sailing to the poor unfortunate AI (obviously pyramid selling going on here).

I vote for GLH.