Now imagine if this happened when China was somehow sending warships and disputing dutch waters
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Now imagine if this happened when China was somehow sending warships and disputing dutch waters
Now imagine if this happened when China was somehow sending ships in dutch waters
See my posts on Unilever in the Brexit thread.
China is buying that influence for really small money compared to EU funding those mentioned countries receive.
It is just stupid.
But as you know, some people paying all those net fundings are meanwhile fed up with politicians getting bribed all the time by oligarchs etc interfering in the integrity of the EU.
It is in fact a bit hypocritical that the UK is getting the full pressure to defend the EU integrity and some other countries still support politicians who still think they can have it all.
Sure. Now just imagine if this happened when China was somehow sending ships in dutch waters
Cause if you change a few nouns in your news post, it (ie far worse than the thing you protest about) is what happened with Turkey and you had no issue with it.
By the way, the turkish ships are back to both sea zones (Greek and Cypriot), and supposedly it will be (again) discussed in the next Eu summit (I think this Thursday). I am sure we will listen to the same trashy talks by the same few countries not wanting sanctions of note.
I think a good idea would be to have Greece and
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Sure. Now just imagine if this happened when China was somehow sending ships in dutch waters
Cause if you change a few nouns in your news post, it (ie far worse than the thing you protest about) is what happened with Turkey and you had no issue with it.
You still don't get it
China is not offering enough at for NL profitable terms
We are too expensive to bribe
On Turkey
China is far worse than Turkey, but Turkey is indeed under Erdogan gone bad.
Do mind BTW that a lot of what you see and refer to is rhetorics for the newsmedia and the voting flock.
Here an article on how Spain does behind the curtains everything to improve the relation with Turkey
The same Spain that joined the rhetorics of Macron during the last meeting of the South-European countries on Turkey
http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/...nd-road-ahead-for-customs-union-modernisation
And no doubt when Turkish adventures of Spanish banks go sour, after their profits have been transferred to the happy few, it will be EU money to rescue them.
You still don't get it
China is not offering enough at for NL profitable terms
We are too expensive to bribe
On Turkey
China is far worse than Turkey, but Turkey is indeed under Erdogan gone bad.
Do mind BTW that a lot of what you see and refer to is rhetorics for the newsmedia and the voting flock.
Here an article on how Spain does behind the curtains everything to improve the relation with Turkey
The same Spain that joined the rhetorics of Macron during the last meeting of the South-European countries on Turkey
http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/...nd-road-ahead-for-customs-union-modernisation
Spain is known to be in the "no serious sanctions against Turkey" block.
It doesn't matter. You know who does.
Spain... France has more weight than Spain every day of the week.
And you don't seem to care that China at least is not threatening war against Eu member-states, nor is violating their sea. Ask yourself how it would look in the (impossible) case that China sent warships to your sea, and Greece was just pretending it was all fine and you should talk with China.
War is just the last act where you wrap up your economical hegemony if the other party does not submit peacefully.
The US did not win WW2 on two fronts because it had a huge military before. At the outbreak of WW2 the US army was the size of the Portugal army.
It was the superior US economy that just had to be switched to war economy that made the US victorious.
As noted, if China had sent warships to your sea, imagine how it would look if Greece pretended nothing was happening and then ultimately just told you that you have to discuss with China
That said, you don't really want to go into bribe-talking territory; certain northern companies are champions of that, with state help keeping them immune.
As noted, if China had sent warships to your sea, imagine how it would look if Greece pretended nothing was happening and then ultimately just told you that you have to discuss with China
That said, you don't really want to go into bribe-talking territory; certain northern companies are champions of that, with state help keeping them immune.
Better stop this Kir
Our understanding of realities on this is too far away from eachother.
but here below a EU report on judicial quality and corruption made by the EU, whereby the Netherlands was pushing hardest to get at all such a report. It is the first time we have such a report with one yardstick.
It is still imo a very soft audit on the actual reality, but that was the price to get at least a start of wanting to make such audits EU wide.
And ofc you can say that everything coming from Brussels is evil and biased towards the North.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicati...20 Rule of Law,situation in each Member State.
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yeah , typical . As Azeris get enough to float their boat and pay all the lip service to New Turkey without anything concrete in hand the crisis mode is back on . Today's thing is apparently a contract goes to a company , company buys 500 cars for "Muslims" in goverment service because every "Muslim" needs an official car Mercedes-Audi-Passat or whatever , according to rank in decreasing order and the cost is of course paid by the taxpayer . Did ı mention that the car dealers are the same "Muslims" ? Spanish like for New Turkey also arises from lhvan , Madrid to piggyback when Muslim Brotherhood takes over . Though with UK now out of EU , ı don't know how will they do that . Did ı mention the hunger the UK feels for money to be made ?
Cyprus announced to stop selling passports to foreigners.
(price per passport 2 million Euro "investments" in Cypriotic companies)
Not because they were forced by the EU, but because Al Jazeera set up a trap to expose that Cyprus also sold passports willingly to criminals.... for an additional fee.
The Chairman of the Parliament of Cyprus was one of the persons involved in the by Al Jazeera exposed case.
(price per passport 2 million Euro "investments" in Cypriotic companies)
Not because they were forced by the EU, but because Al Jazeera set up a trap to expose that Cyprus also sold passports willingly to criminals.... for an additional fee.
The Chairman of the Parliament of Cyprus was one of the persons involved in the by Al Jazeera exposed case.
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Al-Jazeera is funded by Qatar. Guess which other country it funds, Hroth.
Hint: the "400-year friend of Netherlands" you like supporting.
Then again it would be unthinkable that this has anything to do with how your media present things. After all, the tax-haven NL is not corrupt, as can be plainly seen. Any success it has is not due to where it is on the map either, neighbors don't matter, just innate will for non-corruption.
Hint: the "400-year friend of Netherlands" you like supporting.
Then again it would be unthinkable that this has anything to do with how your media present things. After all, the tax-haven NL is not corrupt, as can be plainly seen. Any success it has is not due to where it is on the map either, neighbors don't matter, just innate will for non-corruption.
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I fast read the reports on Greece and Netherlands.
From the latter:
Sounds only too familiar. And we thought you lot were quite honest.
Well done Norway.
Cyprus has a corrupt President with personal money laundering ties to Russian oligarchs and now the Chairman of Parliament hit the fan as well.
Do mind that there is still a difference between legal of a country and personal illegal activities of highranking politicians of a country.
And I have given many times my position on tax havens and tax evasion with a little bit of details.
As long as Germany and France are not willing to tackle it, nothing will happen.
As long as PM's of countries complaining about for example the Netherlands do not say in public "let's tackle it" nothing will happen
And do you know why these PMs of countries don't open their mouth in public ???
They have too much to lose themselves for the establishment in their own countries.
Perhaps you will see one day my point when tax havens, tax evasions, etc have been tackled in the EU.
Perhaps there will be some surprises for you how and where the money did flow.
You just pick one line out of context
without the Q and A on how many cases people have experienced nearby in their life. Because that's the point where the differences between countries get real
very cheap
I am pretty sure the public here doesn't care if those making money out of NL as a tax-haven lose it. But that will mean NL losing money, which obviously causes heart-attack there.
Also, I like that it is so open by now how you are led to present Cyprus as less than an Eu member. Keep at it, and please never fail to not see the tie to allowing NL to keep supporting Turkey.
You have really no idea about the size of the money flows Kir.
I know none of it goes to myself, Hroth. You can't say the same thing for you, who live there.
In the Italian press, your country is routinely termed as "parasitic".
Hm, wait. Maybe you meant the money flows in NL-Turkey. So your argument is that Greece not being against China is bad due to China spending less than you consider worthy, here?
Anyway, we won't solve this in a forum. We two aren't the cause, so fighting over this only creates personal bad feeling and shouldn't happen. I am disappointed by NL, though.
I know none of it goes to myself, Hroth. You can't say the same thing for you, who live there.
In the Italian press, your country is routinely termed as "parasitic".
Hm, wait. Maybe you meant the money flows in NL-Turkey. So your argument is that Greece not being against China is bad due to China spending less than you consider worthy, here?
Anyway, we won't solve this in a forum. We two aren't the cause, so fighting over is only creates personal bad feeling and shouldn't happen. I am disappointed at NL, though.
I would love to hear the Italian PM say loudly and precisely formulated: "let's tackle tax issues"
And then discuss it in the EU parliament, smoke the country positions out of the silent resistance to do really something about all the tax and corruption issues.
Do you really think that newsmedia using the word "parasite" give a complete truth ?
The only thing they achieve is creating a victim feeling.
Giving an excuse to do "things" themselves as well.
My post on Cyprus could as well have been on Malta... you know... that country where that investigation journalist in corruption was murdered.
But the factual news of today was on Cyprus.
And my news on China-EU was to show how important it is for the EU to have clear for all countries that once you get favors of China you will have to return favors to China. Just like some other posts I made on China.
I could also have mentioned Straatsburg again, not the EU meetings there, but the new Huawei 5G antenna production facility Macron arranged for his Straatsburg. Because: how will future discussions in the EU on who produces the 5G network be free in its choices (for alternatives like for example Nokia) and free from national security issues.... how will these future discussion on Huawei go when one of the main players has already entangled himself with Huawei ?
All penny-wise and pound-foolish
I like you, and don't want this to continue when it will obviously lead nowhere - due to both parties.
I am somewhat perplexed, though, that it seems problematic to you if China gains influence by investing in stuff here, but there is no problem with the influence Turkey has in NL. That I don't understand, certainly. Coupled with China not sending warships to an Eu country either, it seems very strange to be against the one but in favor of the other.
I am somewhat perplexed, though, that it seems problematic to you if China gains influence by investing in stuff here, but there is no problem with the influence Turkey has in NL. That I don't understand, certainly. Coupled with China not sending warships to an Eu country either, it seems very strange to be against the one but in favor of the other.
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