The European Project: the future of the EU.

Yes, but my understanding is that the terms of reference of the ECJ, when it was originally set up,
were deliberately biased in favour of making its judgements in favour of an ever closer union.

So I think that it would just roll over and decide whatever the EU Commission told it to do.

well
You can dispute the fairness of the EU court as much as you want... everyone who loses a court case can say that of a court.... of any court.

But that all does not take away that a country joining the EU has also signed up to accepting EU court decisions.
If you don't like accepting the EU court you can leave

And then all the noise about courts and breaking law this and that become empty threats, in this case empty threats by the local corrupt Barons of their country.

I am more worried that they may strike some deal with Germany, about completely different things, and be allowed to get away with it.
Though tbh by now there are quite a few countries which are against german hegemony in the Eu.

yes
That's what they try
Germany is BTW the most corrupt country of the northern countries.
Differences are not huge but they are there.
Merkel is a typical upholder of the German culture to arrange things in the back chambers up to in shady areas. It is their mainstream harmony model to keep the family together, especially among the consevatives. She was also the apprentice and trusted assistant of Kohl (though at a lesser level of shadyness)
 
When the nationalist governments are the only ones opposing the power grabs of the empire-to-be it's easy enough to pick a side.
I do wonder, autocracy is what you call your favored most pro-eu parties in another country losing an election?

In current news, covid is eating the would-be fathers of Europe. Fitting, the EU between the threats of austerity and the open borders zeal having been the cause of the covid disaster here.
 
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Have you ever been in East Europe ?
Have you ever seen the manufacturing halls from the communist time ?
Their machinery, hopelessly outdated, with craftmen a master in repairing the repairs from the repairs ?
Their office furniture giving you the impression that the clock turned backward to pre WW2 and the 50ies ?
When your car is a total loss you scrap it.
I have visited BTW the old Skoda site in Plzen several times. A disaster.

=> The money from the EU is and has been exactly doing what a government does as flanking infra investments. Creating the infra for companies for their greenfields and brownfields (existing obsolete halls) to make it more attractive to invest. The money for the roads to connect industrial areas to clusters, and those countries with the West.
The trading security of the single market of the EU, lowering the risks of those Big Corporate investments, making them worthwhile. The Big Corporate companies fuelling the little family owned old companies with orders, enough for them to hook on and buy new equipment.
And it worked good enough considering the means available.
What you do with your remarks is disowning the constructive efforts done and achievements made by the EU...
I live in East Europe .
 
Maybe a "core" Russia, but surely not all the bits and pieces from the RF ?

Can hardly have a EU stretching all the way to Siberia or Turkmenistan can we ?
Did I say that the EU is a fragment of the Russian Federation?I just think that Russia should join the EU.Russia is a native European country with a European culture that emerged from the Slavic, Norman and Greek-Roman cultures.The EU will also have huge advantages if Russia joins it.And by the way, Turkmenistan is no longer Russia and does not even border with it.
 
Did I say that the EU is a fragment of the Russian Federation?I just think that Russia should join the EU.Russia is a native European country with a European culture that emerged from the Slavic, Norman and Greek-Roman cultures.The EU will also have huge advantages if Russia joins it.And by the way, Turkmenistan is no longer Russia and does not even border with it.

"Russia" is not really a "country" - it is a federation, a "union" in itself if you will....

There was a similar discussion in regard to Turkey, the "European" bits could be integrated in the EU in theory - but not the Asian parts.
 
Tesla likes to build cars in Germany in the heart of the car industry and export base to the EU and beyond, but does not like regulations and trade unions in Germany.
Politicians craving to score on Green having feeble knees to defend the traditional German social contract between employers and employees where trade unions have a lot of information rights up to co-determination at Board level.
If this Tesla becomes an exception it will be an invite to a race to the bottom for Labour rights in the car industry and from there cause durther erosion.

So far, in the past years, Merkel turned out to be a feeble knee caretaker and did not visibly or succesfully defend the traditional German social wellfare fabric.

Here an article of the FD, the Dutch Financial Times:
Tesla on a collision course with German tradition of entrepreneurship and control
The construction of a giga factory makes Tesla one of the most important investors ever in the former East-Germany, and that has garnered admiration in Germany. The American car manufacturer, in turn, does not want any influence from the powerful trade union IG-Metal..


The American car manufacturer Tesla is welcomed with open arms in Germany, but a conflict lurks between the American and German way of doing business. Tesla demands secrecy from all parties it works with and Tesla does not want to know anything about employee control for the time being.

Politicians and unions fear that Tesla wants to set the rules of the game and has no sympathy for the German tradition of solidarity and cooperation with employees. The powerful IG Metall union with 2.3 million members in Germany is preparing for battle.

Union pushed aside
In the US, unions never got a foot in the door at Tesla. To a certain extent, this has been successful with the other car manufacturers in the US. In Germany, workers' power extends much further: to the top of the company.
Without far-reaching employee control, Tesla has a competitive advantage over the German car giants. Tesla could even become a danger to IG Metall that extends beyond the workplace of the American company. For established names from car country Germany, it may be an opportunity to curtail the power of the unions in the current times of major changes.
The fact that Tesla has little influence from employee representatives is evident from the experience at Grohmann in Germany. Tesla took over this German machine manufacturer three years ago. But there are still no collective labor agreements for employees.

Musk's charm offensive
The litmus test is the European car and car battery factory near Berlin that is due to open next year. Tesla is one of the most important investors ever in East Germany and that has garnered admiration in Germany. On Tuesday, CEO Elon Musk in Berlin was awarded a prize by publisher Axel Springer.
Much is at stake for the German economy. Tesla can spur growth in the region and act as a magnet. With the construction of the new factory in Grünheide, Tesla has managed to bypass a slow licensing bureaucracy. Construction simply started without all permits.

Hijacking experts
The new German car factory promises work for tens of thousands of people. Tesla has begun to recruit senior staff at relatively high salaries. To the dismay of colleagues, Tesla has stolen a key figure from Daimler. It led to a demonstration of car workers. Musk said this week that half a million new electric cars a year will roll out of the factory by 2022. The battery factory will be "the largest battery factory in the world", the CEO boasted. Economy Minister Peter Altmaier has promised to do everything possible to get the factory up and running by mid-2021. They will be German cars, Altmaier said. The American company, which competes with German car giants such as VW, BMW and Daimler, can look forward to a high but unknown amount of subsidy with its green story.

Non-Disclosure
Musk regularly shows his face in Berlin, but from Tesla there is hardly any communication with the outside world. Tesla expects secrecy from employees and even concerned politicians and officials. The Dutch engineering company Arcadis has been appointed to communicate with local residents. But the client has expressly forbidden talking about this with third parties. IG Metall reached out in March for cooperation with Tesla, but nothing has come out yet. The metal union is looking for the support of new employees for a representation in the new factory under construction. Tesla has established a European company that allows it to accept less employee control than a German company. An employee seat on the supervisory board, as is customary in Germany, can thus be avoided.

IG Metall fears that Tesla will operate in the same way as Amazon, which operates without collective agreements for its warehouse workers, union officials said in the German press.

Tesla does not seem to want to pay worse salaries for lower staff. But collective bargaining agreements do not seem to want it. According to unions, Tesla has a lot of leeway to get his way through the secondary employment conditions.

How influential employee representatives are in Germany is shown by the current conflict at VW. CEO Herbert Diess argues about policy and appointments with the powerful chairman of the Works Council, Bernd Osterloh, who is supported by the IG Metall trade union. Nowhere else do employees have as much co-determination as he does the VW group.

https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1366237/tesla-op-ramkoers-met-duitse-traditie-van-ondernemen-en-zeggenschap
 
"Russia" is not really a "country" - it is a federation, a "union" in itself if you will....

There was a similar discussion in regard to Turkey, the "European" bits could be integrated in the EU in theory - but not the Asian parts.

The Asian part of Russia is almost the same as for France Guiana or for the Netherlands Aruba.A former colony that is part of the colonizing country.Why then are Guiana and Aruba part of the EU and Eastern Russia should not?
 
Did I say that the EU is a fragment of the Russian Federation?I just think that Russia should join the EU.Russia is a native European country with a European culture that emerged from the Slavic, Norman and Greek-Roman cultures.The EU will also have huge advantages if Russia joins it.And by the way, Turkmenistan is no longer Russia and does not even border with it.

I agree fully that Russian culture is rooted in the same cultures from which many EU country cultures come from.
The diverge started also long time ago. I would guess that around the moment that in more western Europe the amount of people having industrious jobs in guilds grew much faster. And on the back of that the urbanisation and alfabetisation, The knowledge sharing hubs and tools.
Czar Peter the Great tried to catch up, hook on, both in knowledge as societal culture, but the gap was already growing since some 500 years.
Since the industrialisation in Russia the gap is narrowing again. And that will no doubt imo continue.
 
The Asian part of Russia is almost the same as for France Guiana or for the Netherlands Aruba.A former colony that is part of the colonizing country.Why then are Guiana and Aruba part of the EU and Eastern Russia should not?

The Dutch Antilles are just dots, hardly people.
The Netherlands tried many times to get them fully independent since the 50ies, but the people there preferred other solutions.
And we did not force it through because so many family members of them live here in the Netherlands and know that when something collapses there in the Antilles, like with hurricanes or deficits, Uncle Netherlands will help generously.
Meanwhile the local self-determination, the tourism cruise ship industry, etc has turned these islands into overpopulated centres of casinos, brothels and other shady businesses.
 
The Asian part of Russia is almost the same as for France Guiana or for the Netherlands Aruba.A former colony that is part of the colonizing country.Why then are Guiana and Aruba part of the EU and Eastern Russia should not?

They are so called "overseas territories with associated status" - a legal finesse with little consequence.

Main difference is of course they're small, have negligible population, and no land border.

Turkey and the RF have large populations that would seriously upset the existing balance of power in the EU.
 
most of the Russian population lives in the European part of Russia.And most of the residents of the East of Russia are immigrants from the West of Russia and Ukraine.They moved in the 18,19,20 century and a little in the 17. Turkey is generally different.The original Lands of the Ottoman Turks were in Asia minor, and then the Ottomans conquered Byzantium, the Balkans, and so on.And in General, Turkey does not need to be in the EU.
 
most of the Russian population lives in the European part of Russia.And most of the residents of the East of Russia are immigrants from the West of Russia and Ukraine.They moved in the 18,19,20 century and a little in the 17.

Interesting
How much of the East of Ural population is originally Russian ?
 
Interesting
How much of the East of Ural population is originally Russian ?
There is a mixed population there are many descendants of immigrants and there are local Khanty and Mansi who are Finno-Ugric, the closest people to them are Hungarians.The native Russian lands are from Ingermanland to the Taman Peninsula.There were States of the Rus people and later Russian principalities and republics.
 
Note that - again in theory - there's nothing preventing RF or any part of it, to apply for EU membership...

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glossary/accession_criteria_copenhague.html

But you can truly imagine that happening ? Not likely imho.

I can imagine it, and they could have joined in the early noughties under Putin. But now democracy has begun to decline and Putin seems to have rethought his ideas.If Russia joins the EU it will definitely not be under Putin or under Putin if he returns to the ideas of his first rule 1999-2008.
 
Putin will be 100 years old by the time they even reach the first step in the negotiations.

Again just imho - not saying it can or will ever happen, but not likely.
 
Putin will be 100 years old by the time they even reach the first step in the negotiations.

Again just imho - not saying it can or will ever happen, but not likely.
So not under Putin. Maybe in front of someone else.
 
Russia will first have to make a most fundamental choise to allign better with the EU:

Stop trying to expand geopolitical influence in the Middle-East and other countries in the world.

One of the most fundamental characteristics of the EU is to interact with the rest of the world in the economical sphere.

If Russia would like to join, it will need to be able to hand over a track record of many years alligning to that EU characteristic.
 
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