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[fing0lfin]

One of the points in this argument is:'Is there a macadonian nation', because if there is not Macadonian nation, there couldn't be a Macadonian country.


"Perhaps FYROM could be named the Republic of Northern Macedonia, which would be geographically more accurate (considering that the southern part belongs to the Greeks), and the nationality to be determined as Slav-Macedonian, thus making a clear distinction. I do not know what the Macedonians and Greeks would say about such a scenario, but I find it the most logical."

The things in Macadonia are going in different way. The country is becoming more and more muslim.

 

[Companiero]

fingolfin, ???

Perhaps FYROM could be named the Republic of Northern Macedonia, which would be geographically more accurate (considering that the southern part belongs to the Greeks), and the nationality to be determined as Slav-Macedonian, thus making a clear distinction. I do not know what the Macedonians and Greeks would say about such a scenario, but I find it the most logical.

Perhaps Great Britain could be named Germanic Island of Britain. It would be ethnically more accurate, and the nationality be determined as Germanic British (considering that the over 1500 years ago Celtic-inhabited lands of the Isles today belong to Ireland mainly), thus making a clear distinction. Scientifically bloody logical.
I honestly cant understand how someone with dear heart thinks they can play with the national feelings of an entire nation.

 

[Companiero]

A bit of googling has produced some pics, to make the subject more suculent to read.

Bulgarian army

Bulgarian Artillery

Bulgarian propaganda card

Serbian commander with soldiers

Macedonian war-struck family

Serbian soldiers in Macedonia

Turkish Peasant, Bitola

Turkish Sultan Mehmet V visiting Macedonia

"City" life in Bitola, Macedonia - 1910's

 

[fing0lfin]

fingolfin, ???


Perhaps Great Britain could be named Germanic Island of Britain. It would be ethnically more accurate, and the nationality be determined as Germanic British (considering that the over 1500 years ago Celtic-inhabited lands of the Isles today belong to Ireland mainly), thus making a clear distinction. Scientifically bloody logical.
I honestly cant understand how someone with dear heart thinks they can play with the national feelings of an entire nation.

"fingolfin, ???" ????

Perhaps Great Britain could be named Germanic Island of Britain. It would be ethnically more accurate, and the nationality be determined as Germanic British (considering that the over 1500 years ago Celtic-inhabited lands of the Isles today belong to Ireland mainly), thus making a clear distinction. Scientifically bloody logical.

This is not my post. It's part of The end in night ones Look at the previous page.

 

[Mirc]

Just to be sane here: Greece does not claim any land of the sovereign country of the former yugoslavian republic of macedonia. The only dispute is over the name. If it was called "slav macedonia" i personally would not mind, but to call it just "macedonia" would create the illusion that it has something to do with alexander the great, when obviously it has nothing whatsoever to do with ancient macedonia. Only a small part of the former yugoslav republic of macedonia was ever part of the ancient macedonian kingdom, and both of that kingdom's historical capitals (Pella, and Thessalonike ) are in Greece.
Putting aside the question of whether or not the ancient macedonians were greek or not (which bores me) it is obvious that they were not slavs or bulgarians.

BTW, I just went to Greece in September. Normally I should travel there through Bulgaria, since it's much shorter way. But I had to cross Serbia and Montenegro to get free transport. From Serbia, I went to Greece by crossing FYROM.
At the border with Greece, on the Greek border building, after you go pass the Macedonian building it's written something in Greek and below, the translation in English: "Macedonia was born Greek".

It's really strange, isn't it?

 

[Greek Stud]

Great Britain depicts the regions of the Angles (England), Welsh (Wales), and Scots (Scotland). The British identy, Companiero, is a new identity; whereas the Macedonian identity, is an old one. You are claiming an old identity, Britain named itself a new name.

 

[Kyriakos]

BTW, I just went to Greece in September. Normally I should travel there through Bulgaria, since it's much shorter way. But I had to cross Serbia and Montenegro to get free transport. From Serbia, I went to Greece by crossing FYROM.
At the border with Greece, on the Greek border building, after you go pass the Macedonian building it's written something in Greek and below, the translation in English: "Macedonia was born Greek".

It's really strange, isn't it?

I havent been there, but definately such a thing isnt smart at all, to write phrases like that in border buildings. They only show lack of intelligence; as if any visitor will look at a building so as to make up his/her mind about the name issue. Im sure most visitors dont even care about it, and rightly so

 

[useless]

P.s.After all you understood what was written on the map, although you are macadonian

if that was the case wouldnt the usa be part of britain because it speaks the smae languge?

 

[fing0lfin]

I have never said that the same lenguage is the only reason for that Macadonia=Bulgaria. The same language is one of the things which proves that Macadonian 'nation' is the same as Bulgarian nation. Or simply, there is no Macadonian nation.

 

[useless]

I have never said that the same lenguage is the only reason for that Macadonia=Bulgaria. The same language is one of the things which proves that Macadonian 'nation' is the same as Bulgarian nation. Or simply, there is no Macadonian nation.

macadonia is an indapendent state, thus meaning it is NOT the smae as the bulgarian nation

ok peopel in american and england speak english but it doesnt mean america is same from britain THERE are differences

 

[Greek Stud]

Except for the fact that Macedonians say their language was suppressed, secret, and uniquely original to Macedonia. Although their language is so closely related to other Slavic languages. Americans have never claimed to be indigenous, nor have they questioned the Native American heritage to areas like: Oklahoma, Dakota, Illinois, or Mississippi whom the Native peoples heritage is much different than the Anglo-American heritage.

Slavic Macedonians paint Greeks as the new culture; as a culture with no ties to Macedonianism. Macedonians separate themselves from Bulgarians because they have a nationalistic right to their indigenous land. This claim is false. Macedonianism steals Bulgarian historical battles, movements, and leaders which questions the validity to the nationalistic portions of their constitution as opposed to a functioning separate independent state.

You cannot compare the Balkan nations with nations that have not been separated on the status of Nationalism. This region has experienced nationalism at its fullest, and unless you understand nationism in this form, you cannot bring other variables into this dispute.

So this comparison between the USA and UK has no meaning in seperating the two groups into independent states. The Anglo-Americans are tied to England (the Anglos) who are tied to the Anglo-Saxons of Western Europe. The language comparison between Macedonians and Bulgarians brings back a question on the Macedonian claim, that their language is indigenous to Macedonia, as the Bulgarians will acknowledge that Turks and Slavs are much newer to the Balkans than the Greeks.

 

[fing0lfin]

@Useles I don't know how well are you inforemed about Macadonia and Bulgaria, but the situation is much more different than England USA. I suggest you to read the whole topic...

 

[useless]

@Useles I don't know how well are you inforemed about Macadonia and Bulgaria, but the situation is much more different than England USA. I suggest you to read the whole topic...

no its the same case (same, langauge, religion, etc..)

i have read this topic alot

and i suggest you stop trieing to claim macedonia is a part of bulgaria (and saying it should) when its not. remeber kids nationlism is bad! :

 

[Greek Stud]

If it were the same case that the British colony America acheived independence in the same manner as Macedonia acheiving independence from Yugoslavia, then Macedonia would have been a Bulgarian colony. Therefore, Bulgaria has a right to claim her colony (even though that does not mean that their claim will be rewarded).

This dispute occurred in the League of Nations. But the comparison to American independence does not make sense.

 

[fing0lfin]

no its the same case (same, langauge, religion, etc..)

i have read this topic alot

and i suggest you stop trieing to claim macedonia is a part of bulgaria (and saying it should) when its not. remeber kids nationlism is bad! :

The same case, but with one difference. Americans fought the British for their independance. The Macadonians fight for their Unation with Bulgaria. (if you have really read the topic, you will see what i am talking about)

And useless, nationalism is one of the greatest things in the world.

 

[useless]

And useless, nationalism is one of the greatest things in the world.

nationalism lead to fascism ,nazis and hitler. so is it a good thing? nationlism killed many people. nationalism is bad

 

[fing0lfin]

No. Schovinism lead to what you say. Natioanlism=patriotism= to love your country.

 

[useless]

No. Schovinism lead to what you say. Natioanlism=patriotism= to love your country.

i have no idea what "Schovinism" means. patriotism and nationlism are different things patriotsim is to love you country, while nationlism is to die for your country

 

[fing0lfin]

I meant chauvinism...

I don't get your logic about the patriotism and nationalism..
How can you die for your country, if don't love it...

P.S. You have said that the nationalism is bad thing....I don't see nothing bad in dying for your country.

 

[useless]

P.S. You have said that the nationalism is bad thing....I don't see nothing bad in dying for your country.

example suicide bombers like kamakazis