The Left Fails Yet Again

[wolfigor]

Ding ding you get it. Our house doubled in value in about 7 years. Good for us we can sell it and buy a half million dollar house for $200 bucks a week mortage.

You can be looking at 10 to 13 years income to buy a house, rent hitting 60 to 80% take home pay. We're also getting internal migration here from up North as people have been prices out of Auckland come South. McDonalds is paying around $20 an hour in Auckland, house prices were getting close to a million dollars.

That's a crazy increase, and makes it almost impossible for new homeowner, especially if they do not have high paid jobs.

At the end, some towns do attracts a LOT of people because they offer more opportunities for job, education, and fun.
That creates a huge pressure on pricing, a trend that is not unique to Auckland (see SanFrancisco and London as examples).
Administrations of any political flavour are completely inadequate to solve those issues and they just try to patch problems here and there: there is a race between attracting jobs and improving towns to deal with the inevitable influx of people and business.

 

[Hrothbern]

they just try to patch problems here and there

Governing without real direction is often the art of ad hoc patching until the next elections.
Here there is now a lot of patching with using 40 feet sea containers (rent 513 Euro per month). Gig housing.
(no real effect, but selling hope sells well)


With direction and structural:

To set housing straight in NL... with forcing house prices of 90% of existing housing to replacement values without speculation effects on too high land price..
=> building adequate new, taking care of individual house owners that go underwater, taking over investor properties going underwater, etc
We need between 20%-30% of GDP.
With less than 60% of GDP government debt, we can easily get that done. It's political will + wrong definitions of the "ruling" IMF macro indicators (definition govt debt).

Climate ofc looming.
We need 20% GDP for dikes etc and roughly 80%-100% GDP for zero CO2-Methane + washing out surplus CO2 (of which 20% of cost is planned to be passed on to the citizens)

 

[Lexicus]

For the simple reason that it would reduce the value of the existing houses for the existing house owners.

This is exactly why the only way to achieve housing for all is to decommodify housing. Homeownership-as-investment and affordable housing are two fundamentally contradictory concepts.

 

[Rashiminos]

housing basic or otherwise should be a human right if it isn't already.

Is there a jurisdiction where building a lean-to in a forest or inhabiting a cave is actually illegal?

 

[Lexicus]

Rashiminos' solution to homelessness: the homeless can build lean-tos in the forest or live in caves
@Peuri this kind of thing is why I have no interest in compromising with these people

 

[Rashiminos]

Rashiminos' solution to homelessness: the homeless can build lean-tos in the forest or live in caves
@Peuri this kind of thing is why I have no interest in compromising with these people

I didn't say it was my solution. It is a solution.


Link to video.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Well of course, because you have no actual solutions

 

[Peuri]

Rashiminos' solution to homelessness: the homeless can build lean-tos in the forest or live in caves
@Peuri this kind of thing is why I have no interest in compromising with these people

I will admit that's a hilarious position to take. "Just build a slum". But nonetheless, if these people are 50% of the population, what other solutions do you realistically have?

 

[Lexicus]

They're nowhere near 50% of the population.

 

[Rashiminos]

I will admit that's a hilarious position to take. "Just build a slum". But nonetheless, if these people are 50% of the population, what other solutions do you realistically have?

Slums aren't particularly refined are they? That was one of the reasons I made that post. When Cloud says housing is a human right, he is implicitly excluding all kinds of actual housing. Let's bring those actual requirements out.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It should be obvious that i am not talking about slum-quality housing, but decent housing.

 

[Lexicus]

It should be obvious that i am not talking about slum-quality housing, but decent housing.

The homeless can live in their cardboard boxes on the street, so housing already is a human right!

 

[Peuri]

They're nowhere near 50% of the population.

Who are "they" then? Is gerrymandering so powerful by the GoP that it manages to win elections despite being lower in voting base, or is the non-voting population so large, and not GoP-leaning?

 

[Lexicus]

Who are "they" then? Is gerrymandering so powerful by the GoP that it manages to win elections despite being lower in voting base, or is the non-voting population so large, and not GoP-leaning?

Bolth

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The GOP rely on an ever shrinking base (boomers, evangelicals etc) and constantly double down on trying to reach out to minorities and women.

 

[Rashiminos]

It should be obvious that i am not talking about slum-quality housing, but decent housing.

It is. I want you to explicate.

 

[Lexicus]

One aspect of gerrymandering recently brought to my attention is prison placement, prisoners count as population residing in the prison's jurisdiction for purposes of representation, so mass incarceration of black people literally transfers voting power from poor black people in the inner cities to white people in rural Republican-leaning districts.

 

[Peuri]

The GOP rely on an ever shrinking base (boomers, evangelicals etc) and constantly double down on trying to reach out to minorities and women.

Isn't that a good thing, though? If more minorities voted for the GoP, it would have more incentives to pander to their needs to some extent atleast, dispelling your fear of "white supremacy"?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Why would minorities vote for a party that continously acts hostile towards their very existence?

 

[Peuri]

Why would minorities vote for a party that continously acts hostile towards their very existence?

Well, you said it was trying to smooch them up. Presumably it would have to adopt policies to their liking, thus reforming the party. So that's a good thing.